Mostly agree with you, from what I understand about Ceylon it doesn't satisfy this need. For me it's look like groovy, more a syntax cleanup than a new languag

Mostly agree with you, from what I understand about Ceylon it doesn't satisfy this need. For me it's look like groovy, more a syntax cleanup than a new language. And as far as I know Scala, it enable to create 'better' abstraction like you are doing in Clojure (great language too from what I used).