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> Both kinds of art can coexist. But do they? In your typical museum, what kind of art do you find in the post-WWII section? I've been to a few, and to say it

> Both kinds of art can coexist. But do they? In your typical museum, what kind of art do you find in the post-WWII section? I've been to a few, and to say it doesn't compare to what came before doesn't even begin to describe it. As for the "mind-blowing" quality - you can only turn a urinal on its side so many times before the trick gets old. Where do you go after that, after you've heroically broken with all the accumulated knowledge of past artists in whatever is the opposite of "standing on the shoulders of giants"?

fiblye 6y ago
It depends on the museum. The curators decide what they want. I've been to museums full of nothing but plain black swabs across a canvas. I've also been to ones with nothing but realistic scenery paintings made within the past 20 years. Eventually, there'll be another revolutionary trend in art and people will yearn for the minimalist abstract stuff that fills museums today.
- SuoDuanDao 6y ago
  >Eventually, there'll be another revolutionary trend in art and people will yearn for the minimalist abstract stuff that fills museums today. I fervently hope so. Call me uncultured, but I prefer art that has aesthetic value.
goto11 6y ago
The realist painting style basically disappeared after photography was invented. Because what is the point of emulating a camera with paint? If you want realist imagery we have photography, tv, movies etc. The natural succession to the classic "Academic" style is not cubism, its Hollywood.
- rbecker 6y ago
  Take a look at the following artists: Zdzislaw Beksinski: https://culture.pl/en/gallery/selected-paintings-by-zdzislaw-beksinski-image-gallery https://culture.pl/en/gallery/selected-paintings-by-zdzislaw... Frederic Edwin Church: http://www.museumsyndicate.com/artist.php?artist=421 http://www.museumsyndicate.com/artist.php?artist=421 H. R. Giger: https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-nightmarish-works-hr-giger-artist-alien https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-nightmarish-wo... Frank Frazetta: http://www.museumsyndicate.com/artist.php?artist=693 http://www.museumsyndicate.com/artist.php?artist=693 Hokusai: https://www.wikiart.org/en/katsushika-hokusai/ https://www.wikiart.org/en/katsushika-hokusai/ Would you say photography has replaced any of them? Have you ever seen photographs that look like their work? I have not. There is more to art than a binary choice between photorealism and modern art (or whatever that collection of styles could be called). An artist, even a realist one, does far more than emulate a camera.
  - goto11 6y ago
    Thanks for all the pictures! My comment was probably too flippant, I didn't mean to say a realistic style of painting had no value after the invention of the photography. I was just trying to explain why painting styles have changed, for better or worse. For example I love the hand drawn illustrations used in many advertisements and posters in most of the 20th century. They have artistic qualities photography cannot replace. But nevertheless, photography have gradually overtaken this domain and now totally dominates advertising. It is clearly what the market demands. The most prestigious genre in the academic style was the historical painting. My claim is the movie industry and perhaps now computer games are catering to this demand for immersive historical representation and myths. A realistic illustration style have survived for long in comic books and sf/fantasy book covers. Here realism is an important tool to make the fantastic feel real. But as the capabilities for CGI advances, Hollywood is taking over here: Today marvel movies outsells marvel comics many times. The market speaks clearly, for better or worse. To be clear, by realism I mean a style which strives for realism in anatomy, perspective, lighting and so on. Hokusai or Bekinski are not realist any more than say van Gogh. But Frazetta clearly is building on a realist style reminiscent of the historical painting, just with more monsters.
DanBC 6y ago
> In your typical museum, what kind of art do you find in the post-WWII section? James Gillick paints today, using traditional techniques. Does he count? He's been in a few galleries. https://www.gillick-artist.com/exhibitions/past-exhibitions.php https://www.gillick-artist.com/exhibitions/past-exhibitions.... https://www.gillick-artist.com/for-sale/ https://www.gillick-artist.com/for-sale/
smegcicle 6y ago
"suckling upon the genitals of midgets" ? or maybe the genitals of giants, reflecting how sometimes there's a groundbreaking idea, but the following up on that idea looks an awful lot like jerking around in its shadow

fiblye 6y ago

It depends on the museum. The curators decide what they want. I've been to museums full of nothing but plain black swabs across a canvas. I've also been to ones with nothing but realistic scenery paintings made within the past 20 years. Eventually, there'll be another revolutionary trend in art and people will yearn for the minimalist abstract stuff that fills museums today.

SuoDuanDao 6y ago
>Eventually, there'll be another revolutionary trend in art and people will yearn for the minimalist abstract stuff that fills museums today. I fervently hope so. Call me uncultured, but I prefer art that has aesthetic value.

goto11 6y ago

The realist painting style basically disappeared after photography was invented. Because what is the point of emulating a camera with paint? If you want realist imagery we have photography, tv, movies etc. The natural succession to the classic "Academic" style is not cubism, its Hollywood.

rbecker 6y ago
Take a look at the following artists: Zdzislaw Beksinski: https://culture.pl/en/gallery/selected-paintings-by-zdzislaw-beksinski-image-gallery https://culture.pl/en/gallery/selected-paintings-by-zdzislaw... Frederic Edwin Church: http://www.museumsyndicate.com/artist.php?artist=421 http://www.museumsyndicate.com/artist.php?artist=421 H. R. Giger: https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-nightmarish-works-hr-giger-artist-alien https://www.artsy.net/article/artsy-editorial-nightmarish-wo... Frank Frazetta: http://www.museumsyndicate.com/artist.php?artist=693 http://www.museumsyndicate.com/artist.php?artist=693 Hokusai: https://www.wikiart.org/en/katsushika-hokusai/ https://www.wikiart.org/en/katsushika-hokusai/ Would you say photography has replaced any of them? Have you ever seen photographs that look like their work? I have not. There is more to art than a binary choice between photorealism and modern art (or whatever that collection of styles could be called). An artist, even a realist one, does far more than emulate a camera.
- goto11 6y ago
  Thanks for all the pictures! My comment was probably too flippant, I didn't mean to say a realistic style of painting had no value after the invention of the photography. I was just trying to explain why painting styles have changed, for better or worse. For example I love the hand drawn illustrations used in many advertisements and posters in most of the 20th century. They have artistic qualities photography cannot replace. But nevertheless, photography have gradually overtaken this domain and now totally dominates advertising. It is clearly what the market demands. The most prestigious genre in the academic style was the historical painting. My claim is the movie industry and perhaps now computer games are catering to this demand for immersive historical representation and myths. A realistic illustration style have survived for long in comic books and sf/fantasy book covers. Here realism is an important tool to make the fantastic feel real. But as the capabilities for CGI advances, Hollywood is taking over here: Today marvel movies outsells marvel comics many times. The market speaks clearly, for better or worse. To be clear, by realism I mean a style which strives for realism in anatomy, perspective, lighting and so on. Hokusai or Bekinski are not realist any more than say van Gogh. But Frazetta clearly is building on a realist style reminiscent of the historical painting, just with more monsters.

DanBC 6y ago

> In your typical museum, what kind of art do you find in the post-WWII section? James Gillick paints today, using traditional techniques. Does he count? He's been in a few galleries. https://www.gillick-artist.com/exhibitions/past-exhibitions.php https://www.gillick-artist.com/exhibitions/past-exhibitions.... https://www.gillick-artist.com/for-sale/ https://www.gillick-artist.com/for-sale/

smegcicle 6y ago

"suckling upon the genitals of midgets" ? or maybe the genitals of giants, reflecting how sometimes there's a groundbreaking idea, but the following up on that idea looks an awful lot like jerking around in its shadow