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Because if the app was permitted to be installed outside of the app store, it would make more money, meaning the app store offers negative utility to some devel

by beaner 6y ago

Because if the app was permitted to be installed outside of the app store, it would make more money, meaning the app store offers negative utility to some developers. Fortnite is a huge brand outside of iOS. It iOS did not make the success of Fortnite. Epic doesn't need the app store's advertising to succeed, and being forced to go through this bottleneck only hampers them.

danbolt 6y ago
> iOS did not make the success of Fortnite Does iOS make the success of any app?
yazaddaruvala 6y ago
It’s not about advertising. It’s about trust building. Apple has earned trust with me as a user. When I download an app from Apple’s stores it extends its trust to those apps. I feel more comfortable spending money on iOS because of that trust. Take away the trust, and I promise there is significantly less money to be made.
- beaner 6y ago
  If that were true, Epic would not want to offer its app outside of the app store. But it does, because it's more profitable.
  - valuearb 6y ago
    Tim Sweeney may believe that, but he’s made a lot of dumb decisions lately.
  - yazaddaruvala 6y ago
    No data for this exists. This is all my opinion and most importantly feelings about spending money though the AppStore and through any other channel. I will say, for me no other company has built the good will that Apple has. I really doubt that Epic understands the “trust” I speak about. Both because of the general sentiment I see online and as a Fortnite player.
    - yazaddaruvala 6y ago
      Just thinking about this some more... Have any of you actually played Fortnite? Do any of you know how many bugs exist in that game? I’m not even talking about “wall hacks”, rendering issues, difficult collision detection stuff or the many in game broken mechanics. I’m talking about the many, many out-of-game user interface bugs. Logging in fails 1/4 the time (need to reboot the app). Matchmaking fails 1/10 the time (just stuck in an infinite loop). Matchmaking for groups fails 1/10 the time (at least one person in the party will not be in the same game!!! How does a software company fuck up atomic transactions for the full party?) lol Epic is not a company I want handling financial transactions. I’m very happy to buy Vbucks from Apple/Google/Sony and then “safely” use Vbucks in the Fortnite store.
    - beaner 6y ago
      The data for this does exist, it is the fact that Epic does want to offer its game outside the app store, as evidenced by their statements and also by having attempted it for Android.
      - yazaddaruvala 6y ago
        This answer feels disingenuous. I feel I’ve made my point fairly clearly. The type of trust building Apple does is a “value add” that a company like Epic doesn’t understand yet. Epic choosing to make this decision isn’t data about Apple’s ability and mindset to earn trust. Epic choosing to make this decision seems to be a short term play at rent seeking before Fortnite stops being popular. Also please read my other comments in this thread for anecdata about my experience/feelings as a customer of both Apple and Epic.
        beaner 6y ago
        The answer is not disingenuous at all, I think you just find it hard to accept because it is simple. You are actually trying to argue that a walled garden app store where users and developers have no other choice is always better for everyone, and that everyone should want it, because the single point of failure man-in-charge knows what's best for everybody. Do you even believe that? Or do you feel compelled to defend Apple? You're not even making a coherent argument. Epic is making a short-term play at rent seeking? That doesn't make any sense. They're trying to be able to charge for individual products the way they do on any other open platform. Platforms that do not filter through single monolithic app stores, and which - surprise - are successful and enjoyed by millions of users and developers.
Razengan 6y ago
> Because if the app was permitted to be installed outside of the app store, it would make more money, meaning the app store offers negative utility to some developers. Fortnite is a huge brand outside of iOS. It iOS did not make the success of Fortnite. Epic doesn't need the app store's advertising to succeed, and being forced to go through this bottleneck only hampers them. It’s the same for Epic on PlayStation, Switch and Xbox.

by beaner 6y ago

danbolt 6y ago

> iOS did not make the success of Fortnite Does iOS make the success of any app?

yazaddaruvala 6y ago

It’s not about advertising. It’s about trust building. Apple has earned trust with me as a user. When I download an app from Apple’s stores it extends its trust to those apps. I feel more comfortable spending money on iOS because of that trust. Take away the trust, and I promise there is significantly less money to be made.

beaner 6y ago
If that were true, Epic would not want to offer its app outside of the app store. But it does, because it's more profitable.
- valuearb 6y ago
  Tim Sweeney may believe that, but he’s made a lot of dumb decisions lately.
- yazaddaruvala 6y ago
  No data for this exists. This is all my opinion and most importantly feelings about spending money though the AppStore and through any other channel. I will say, for me no other company has built the good will that Apple has. I really doubt that Epic understands the “trust” I speak about. Both because of the general sentiment I see online and as a Fortnite player.
  - yazaddaruvala 6y ago
    Just thinking about this some more... Have any of you actually played Fortnite? Do any of you know how many bugs exist in that game? I’m not even talking about “wall hacks”, rendering issues, difficult collision detection stuff or the many in game broken mechanics. I’m talking about the many, many out-of-game user interface bugs. Logging in fails 1/4 the time (need to reboot the app). Matchmaking fails 1/10 the time (just stuck in an infinite loop). Matchmaking for groups fails 1/10 the time (at least one person in the party will not be in the same game!!! How does a software company fuck up atomic transactions for the full party?) lol Epic is not a company I want handling financial transactions. I’m very happy to buy Vbucks from Apple/Google/Sony and then “safely” use Vbucks in the Fortnite store.
  - beaner 6y ago
    The data for this does exist, it is the fact that Epic does want to offer its game outside the app store, as evidenced by their statements and also by having attempted it for Android.
    - yazaddaruvala 6y ago
      This answer feels disingenuous. I feel I’ve made my point fairly clearly. The type of trust building Apple does is a “value add” that a company like Epic doesn’t understand yet. Epic choosing to make this decision isn’t data about Apple’s ability and mindset to earn trust. Epic choosing to make this decision seems to be a short term play at rent seeking before Fortnite stops being popular. Also please read my other comments in this thread for anecdata about my experience/feelings as a customer of both Apple and Epic.
      - beaner 6y ago
        The answer is not disingenuous at all, I think you just find it hard to accept because it is simple. You are actually trying to argue that a walled garden app store where users and developers have no other choice is always better for everyone, and that everyone should want it, because the single point of failure man-in-charge knows what's best for everybody. Do you even believe that? Or do you feel compelled to defend Apple? You're not even making a coherent argument. Epic is making a short-term play at rent seeking? That doesn't make any sense. They're trying to be able to charge for individual products the way they do on any other open platform. Platforms that do not filter through single monolithic app stores, and which - surprise - are successful and enjoyed by millions of users and developers.

Razengan 6y ago

> Because if the app was permitted to be installed outside of the app store, it would make more money, meaning the app store offers negative utility to some developers. Fortnite is a huge brand outside of iOS. It iOS did not make the success of Fortnite. Epic doesn't need the app store's advertising to succeed, and being forced to go through this bottleneck only hampers them. It’s the same for Epic on PlayStation, Switch and Xbox.