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What are Apple ][ and Apple //e? Pretty impossible to google search these so maybe readme could have some links or short descriptions
by Artsub 6y ago
What are Apple ][ and Apple //e? Pretty impossible to google search these so maybe readme could have some links or short descriptions
- Autowired 6y agoProbably two flavors of the Apple 2. I assume the logo for the 2e was in italics.
- fourthark 6y agoClose, but the logos were really styled that way, with ASCII brackets and slashes, on the cases. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe
- fireattack 6y agoBut it's only for logo right? I don't think they should be used in text form, doubt even Apple themselves would do that.
- sseneca 6y agoPeople can be weird about this sort of thing, especially with Apple. I remember when the iPhone XR came out some people would insist on always writing "iPhone Xʀ", for example.
- wryun 6y agoI believe these forms were used on startup (i.e. they were in the roms in text form this way).
- leejoramo 6y agoAs I recall, all print publications of the era used ][ and // I remember typing it this way myself on the early BBS scene. Personally my system was a Radio Shack TSR-80 Model III. (That is III not 3)
- pge 6y agoI have an Apple II plus original reference manual here, and it uses “Apple ][“ (brackets) only on the cover. In the book text, it uses “Apple II” (Roman numeral) throughout.
- icedchai 6y agoNo, they used it elsewhere. When the machines booted, they displayed "Apple ][, "Apple //c", etc. at the top.
- netgusto 6y agoI can find it just fine https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Apple+%5D%5B https://www.google.com/search?client=firefox-b-d&q=Apple+%5D...
- pvg 6y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II_series https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II_series The wikipedia article uses II for ][, // etc so look at those subsections.
- wiz21c 6y agoTwo models of the Apple 2 series. Apple ][ (read Apple 2) was the first, followed by ][+ then //e (read 2e). Apple was the first computer of Steve Jobs (you know, the guy who made the iPhone, the eBook, etc.). Note that Steve Jobs was a kind of visionary but the guy who actually built the Apple was Steve Wozniak. The Apple was popular because it was affordable and, for its time rather powerful. That was possible because Steve Wozniak (and others) figured out how to build a computer in the cheapest (and most clever way). As many HN readers, I learned programming when I was very young, on an Apple 2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II
- Artsub 6y agoThanks a lot for your thorough answer! I actually know about Apple 2 but had no idea about the two models and their naming scheme and was really curious what this was about
- jbotz 6y agoIt's worth adding that the Apple II was really the first home computer, soon followed by others from Commodore and Radio Shack. There were other microcomputers, but they weren't aimed at a casual home market. The Apple II was the first personal computer that came "ready to use"... you just needed to connect a screen (which could be a regular Television of the time), plug it in, turn it on, and start programming it in Basic! There was no storage device included, but the Basic interpreter was in ROM, and gave you a prompt (kind of like a REPL) when you turned on the computer.
- jecel 6y agoCommodore Pet: introduced in January 1977 at the Consumer Electronics Show in Chicago. What was shown had many differences from what eventually shipped, but Commodore started accepting orders. They only shipped 500 machines by the end of the year and it is hard to find out when the first ones actually went out. Apple II: introduced on April 17, 1977 at the West Coast Computer Faire. It went on sale on June 5. TRS-80: introduced on August 3, 1977 at a press conference at the Warwick Hotel in New York and was available for sale. Radio Shack/Tandy and Commodore were big companies. They were later joined by Atari, Texas Instruments and eventually IBM. The other players in the personal computing market back then were self financed (MITS, IMSAI, Ohio Scientific, Processor Technology, Cromenco, Northstar, Southwest Technical Products Corporation, Altos and so many others). Apple stood apart as a venture capital backed startup. We later got Compaq and others but by that time none of the self financed companies were around anymore. Apple is remembered as the number one in personal computing until the IBM PC came along. In terms of revenue that is true, but in terms of units shipped the much cheaper TRS-80 and the Pet dominated the late 1970s.
- yummybear 6y agoYeah, they really should've considered the SEO impact of their naming before launching ;)
- patates 6y agoI know you mean well but please don't make fun of people because they don't know about something, especially when they are asking this nicely.
- function_seven 6y agoParent is making a joke about Jobs and Woz not being SEO-friendly in the late 70s
- djmips 6y agoDon't downvote this, it's actually fairly difficult do search at first try. Buried under all the other more modern Apple stuff.
- michannne 6y agoSometimes I genuinely forget that these aren't exactly recognized glyphs these days.
- Someone 6y agoImpossible? Googling Apple ][, for me, gives 3 apple.com links, and then https://en..wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II_series https://en..wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_II_series, with preview text Apple ][ from en.wikipedia.org Models[edit]. See also: Timeline of computing. Early II-series models were usually designated "Apple ]["; later ... Google does a bit worse for Apple //e, but the top item in “People also ask” is “What is Apple E”, with answer “The Apple IIe (styled as Apple //e) is the third model in the Apple II series of personal computers produced by Apple Computer. The e in the name stands for enhanced, referring to the fact that several popular features were now built-in that were formerly only available as upgrades or add-ons in earlier models.”, picked from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apple_IIe
- boogies 6y agoDuckDuckGo is weird. Top results are useless for ‘Apple ][’ https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Apple+%5D%5B https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Apple+%5D%5B but fine for ‘Apple //e’ https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Apple+%2F%2Fe https://duckduckgo.com/?q=Apple+%2F%2Fe (the first one is the correct Wikipedia article — “The Apple IIe (styled as Apple //e) is the third model in the Apple II series of personal computers produced by Apple Computer”).
- hh2222 6y agoTry searching for “apple 2e“ on either Duckduckgo or Google.
- yourapostasy 6y agoOof, the power of an innocent question to suddenly make me feel my age...