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Uhhh well isn't it more like Tesla? There are no Tesla dealerships in the traditional sense — only Tesla-owned sales locations. You can't buy a new Tesla from a

Uhhh well isn't it more like Tesla? There are no Tesla dealerships in the traditional sense — only Tesla-owned sales locations. You can't buy a new Tesla from any local dealership; you can only get them directly from Tesla's stores. You can switch to Android, and in fact Android holds the global majority of smartphone users (yes yes, iOS is the majority in the US by a small margin). I think we need to rethink the whole vertical integration thing entirely, instead of trying to reason about vertically integrated platforms in terms of non-vertically-integrated platforms. It doesn't seem to work.

stale2002 6y ago
> You can't buy a new Tesla from any local dealership; you can only get them directly from Tesla's stores. No, not really. I am pretty sure that it is perfectly legal for other people to buy and then resell teslas. I do not believe that Tesla is suing people who resell Teslas. > the global majority of smartphone users In the USA, the Iphone has about 50% of the smart phone market. And when it comes to US anti-trust law, thats all that matters.
- DonaldPShimoda 6y ago
  > I am pretty sure that it is perfectly legal for other people to buy and then resell teslas. We're not talking about reselling — we're talking about people selling brand-new product. Most people don't buy a Toyota new from Toyota directly; they go to a local Toyota dealership. But you can't buy a new Tesla through a dealership, because Tesla doesn't allow it. You can only buy a new Tesla through Tesla directly. > In the USA, the Iphone has about 50% of the smart phone market. And when it comes to US anti-trust law, thats all that matters. You missed my point. I was saying that Android is a viable alternative to iOS, as shown by the fact that most people in the world (and many people in the US) use Android instead of iOS. If the policies of iOS are not to your liking, you can choose to not support the platform.
  - stale2002 6y ago
    > we're talking about people selling brand-new product. And tesla does not prevent someone from buying a Tesla that is brand new, and selling it. > because Tesla doesn't allow it. False. it would be perfectly legal to immediately sell a new tesla that you just purchased. That would be a brand new tesla. Thats brand new, that would be no different than buying from tesla. > I was saying that Android is a viable alternative to iOS, Apple has ~50% of the market share in the US. Anti trust law does not require a literal, singular monopoly, in order for certain anti-competitive behavior to be illegal. Instead, 50% of the market, is within the realm of when certain behavior can become illegal. > If the policies of iOS are not to your liking If the policies are anti-competitive, then Apple can be sued for having illegal policies, due to their market share. 50% of the market, is wihin the realm where anti-competitive practices become illegal.

stale2002 6y ago

> You can't buy a new Tesla from any local dealership; you can only get them directly from Tesla's stores. No, not really. I am pretty sure that it is perfectly legal for other people to buy and then resell teslas. I do not believe that Tesla is suing people who resell Teslas. > the global majority of smartphone users In the USA, the Iphone has about 50% of the smart phone market. And when it comes to US anti-trust law, thats all that matters.

DonaldPShimoda 6y ago
> I am pretty sure that it is perfectly legal for other people to buy and then resell teslas. We're not talking about reselling — we're talking about people selling brand-new product. Most people don't buy a Toyota new from Toyota directly; they go to a local Toyota dealership. But you can't buy a new Tesla through a dealership, because Tesla doesn't allow it. You can only buy a new Tesla through Tesla directly. > In the USA, the Iphone has about 50% of the smart phone market. And when it comes to US anti-trust law, thats all that matters. You missed my point. I was saying that Android is a viable alternative to iOS, as shown by the fact that most people in the world (and many people in the US) use Android instead of iOS. If the policies of iOS are not to your liking, you can choose to not support the platform.
- stale2002 6y ago
  > we're talking about people selling brand-new product. And tesla does not prevent someone from buying a Tesla that is brand new, and selling it. > because Tesla doesn't allow it. False. it would be perfectly legal to immediately sell a new tesla that you just purchased. That would be a brand new tesla. Thats brand new, that would be no different than buying from tesla. > I was saying that Android is a viable alternative to iOS, Apple has ~50% of the market share in the US. Anti trust law does not require a literal, singular monopoly, in order for certain anti-competitive behavior to be illegal. Instead, 50% of the market, is within the realm of when certain behavior can become illegal. > If the policies of iOS are not to your liking If the policies are anti-competitive, then Apple can be sued for having illegal policies, due to their market share. 50% of the market, is wihin the realm where anti-competitive practices become illegal.