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You mean that's going to surely happen, because the server CPU market has traditionally been easy to enter due to low R&D costs, steady avaibility of qualified

You mean that's going to surely happen, because the server CPU market has traditionally been easy to enter due to low R&D costs, steady avaibility of qualified engineers, cheap manufacturing equipment and customers eager to adopt unknown brands? /s

supernova87a 6y ago
Well then, maybe you have to live with some inconveniences and higher costs than you would like, because of the natural market dynamics? You pointed out all those factors to say that they're reasons why CPU OEMs should be able to make all your dreams about price, quality, speed, open hardware come true?
- throwaway2048 6y ago
  Yeah just if you don't like a monopoly on a critical resource, its your fault for buying it. Makes perfect sense.
- archi42 6y ago
  It was about the market being difficult to enter. If you disagree, prove me: I hereby pledge to buy one CPU (needs to be a custom design) + mainboard designed and manufactured by supernova87a, and am willing to pay 800 US$, due 3m after delivery, conditional: It runs my Linux &Windows software like a, and performs at least equally or better than a, then-new system costing up to 400US$ (for cpu+mb, so today something like a Ryzen 1600). This agreement expires on 1.1.2025 0:00 UTC. Your call, do you agree? - Edit, also for balancing reasons: What do I get from you if you fail? (Since I know you're not getting a x86 license that's an easy call for me - I know for sure you're unable to tap into that market)
  - throwaway2048 6y ago
    how about 800 million dollars US, it will be the same result.
    - archi42 6y ago
      You're right, but: In the unlikely case a random person on the internet succeeds (who knows what happens in the next 5 years, or who s/he is?), I am out of 800US$. For something that I think is a good idea. In case of 800m US$, well, I'm a little bit embarrassed to admit that I can't afford that right now ;-)

supernova87a 6y ago

Well then, maybe you have to live with some inconveniences and higher costs than you would like, because of the natural market dynamics? You pointed out all those factors to say that they're reasons why CPU OEMs should be able to make all your dreams about price, quality, speed, open hardware come true?

throwaway2048 6y ago
Yeah just if you don't like a monopoly on a critical resource, its your fault for buying it. Makes perfect sense.
archi42 6y ago
It was about the market being difficult to enter. If you disagree, prove me: I hereby pledge to buy one CPU (needs to be a custom design) + mainboard designed and manufactured by supernova87a, and am willing to pay 800 US$, due 3m after delivery, conditional: It runs my Linux &Windows software like a, and performs at least equally or better than a, then-new system costing up to 400US$ (for cpu+mb, so today something like a Ryzen 1600). This agreement expires on 1.1.2025 0:00 UTC. Your call, do you agree? - Edit, also for balancing reasons: What do I get from you if you fail? (Since I know you're not getting a x86 license that's an easy call for me - I know for sure you're unable to tap into that market)
- throwaway2048 6y ago
  how about 800 million dollars US, it will be the same result.
  - archi42 6y ago
    You're right, but: In the unlikely case a random person on the internet succeeds (who knows what happens in the next 5 years, or who s/he is?), I am out of 800US$. For something that I think is a good idea. In case of 800m US$, well, I'm a little bit embarrassed to admit that I can't afford that right now ;-)