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> This administration messed up any opportunity to curtail China Companies are stepping over each other to move factories out of China. Just check chinalawblo
by jonathannat 6y ago
> This administration messed up any opportunity to curtail China
Companies are stepping over each other to move factories out of China. Just check chinalawblog. Any sane COO is de-risking right now. And what about Pompeo's speech? tariffs? banning wechat? supporting Taiwan? There's an endless list of this administration actions trying to curtail China.
> dropping TPP.
TPP was still an IF still when 2017 rolled around.
> Chinese know what a joke this administration is which is why they basically captured Hong Kong, are trying to destroy Vietnam, extracting as much from Australia and India
China is making stupid mistakes after mistakes. It managed to piss off almost every surrounding neighbors: South Korea, Japan, Taiwan, India, Australia, New Zealand, Vietnam, etc. It is basically at war with India right now. And US, Canada, UK, France, and some EU countries are in conflict with China as well. Just recently, even Germany, one of its last ally in Europe has condemned China publically for the czech republic situation
China is so knee deep in trouble, with internal top leadership conflict, coronavirus, job losses, suffering trade, flooding, food shortage, that it has no choice but to establish internal "order" with inner Mongolia, Xinjiang, Hong Kong, Tibet. But it is messing up there too.
> Also, comparing to Germany, a country with a population less than 20% of the US
That's just dishonest hand waving. Everyone knows Germany leads the EU.
> Why don’t you compare to India
China literally killed Indian soldiers - an act of war. There's no comparison here. And again, this is election year. This US administration cannot piss off every US companies by an absolute economic sanction on China.
- sgillen 6y agoCompanies are moving their manufacturing out of China, they were before covid and it’s accelerating now. However companies are definitely going to want to sell the the gigantic and growing Chinese market, if they can. This is especially true the longer covid keeps western economies shit down.
- jonathannat 6y ago> companies are definitely going to want to sell the the gigantic and growing Chinese market Tons of companies have had that same dream in the last 40 years, before China gets old in 2050, before China became nationalist in 2018. Companies like KFC, Amazon, Facebook, Google, Samsung, Nintendo, Home Depot, Mattel, Ebay.
- whoevercares 6y agoMind give an estimate when China will collapse?
- ardy42 6y ago> with internal top leadership conflict Source? My understanding is Xi has pretty effectively consolidated power, and such internal struggles would be pretty opaque to everyone who doesn't have access to a well-connected CCP member. It does look like they're expecting a period of increased isolation in the future though: https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/07/business/china-xi-economy.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/09/07/business/china-xi-economy...
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- x86_64Ubuntu 6y agoA lot of your complaints could have been the US at various times. And we're still here.
- innagadadavida 6y agoThe US basically owns the printing press that they can run for free that other people need to earn for with hard labor. So comparing any country to US is not right - US can make a lot of mistakes and still feel zero repercussions.
- jacobolus 6y agoThis administration is “tough” on China only because the Chinese haven’t agreed to illegally help them with their re-election efforts, and because blaming China for Covid19 is a convenient diversion from the abject failure of the US federal response, and plays nicely to its supporters’ racism and xenophobia. According to Bolton’s book, when Trump met Xi he praised the Chinese treatment of Uighurs, and begged Xi for help (to borrow Trump’s favorite description, “he begged him like a dog”). https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-asked-chinas-xi-to-help-him-win-reelection-according-to-bolton-book/2020/06/17/d4ea601c-ad7a-11ea-868b-93d63cd833b2_story.html https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-asked-chinas-x... This goes along with Trump’s at-least-monthly private phone calls and meetings with Putin where he gets his next instructions, his (as he personally described them) “love letters” to and from Kim Jong Un, his praise for Balsonaro, Erdogan, Orbán, Duda, Prince Salman, Netanyahu, and so on. The idea that the administration wants to stick it to the Chinese as a way to defend human rights and democracy is ludicrous on its face.
- m0zg 6y ago^ wherein @jonathannat discovers that the US liberal establishment lives in an impenetrable bubble inside which no one can say that the Trump administration is doing something right.