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I want to believe her, but again: "Her story, first told to the Dutch Uyghur Human Rights Foundation, is difficult to verify. It is hard to take photos inside

I want to believe her, but again: "Her story, first told to the Dutch Uyghur Human Rights Foundation, is difficult to verify. It is hard to take photos inside detention facilities and there is little documentation. But details match accounts by other camp detainees and research into coercive birth control practices." This person's story is heartbreaking, but it is merely a thread in an investigation if hard evidence isn't there. The DURF, when you go to their website (https://www.duhrf.org/who-are-the-uyghurs/ https://www.duhrf.org/who-are-the-uyghurs/), is run by five apparently anonymous individuals. They have links to other organizations, one of which I know has at least some leadership linked to American regime change projects. I'm Jewish. I can't stand authoritarian regimes or concentration camps (hence my objections to the current US regime). However, I don't want to be lead by the nose into another war or brutal sanctions regime that kills hundreds of thousands or millions (as has happened many times in the past) because I didn't ask for evidence when it mattered. If China is really doing this stuff, show me hard evidence.

actuator 6y ago
Your skepticism is well placed, but if retaliation against your family/extended family can take place, I can see why they might have chosen to stay anonymous. Regarding the links with the other organisation, if these are really responsible for regime changes, I can see why they might want to fund their activities but that doesn't prove CCP's innocence. Though five decades back but US administration ignored the blood telegram[1] when a genocide of millions happened and they supported the regime who did it, so they definitely are not some white knights as well. It would be hard to get hard evidence I think, there have been videos of prisoner transfers between these camps, satellite footage of these structures but CCP can always spin a different story about them. Anyway war is something no one should indulge in unless it threatens their own sovereignty, it is not worth it. I would say sanctions are reasonable though with the evidence we have seen, considering the other things as well which I had mentioned in my original comment. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blood_Telegram:_Nixon,_Kissinger,_and_a_Forgotten_Genocide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blood_Telegram:_Nixon,_K...
ardy42 6y ago
> If China is really doing this stuff, show me hard evidence. What exactly is "hard evidence" to you? The point of evidence is to get at the truth, and standards that are either too low or too high both fail to achieve that. The former admits lies; the latter denies truth, which can be thought of another kind of lie.

actuator 6y ago

Your skepticism is well placed, but if retaliation against your family/extended family can take place, I can see why they might have chosen to stay anonymous. Regarding the links with the other organisation, if these are really responsible for regime changes, I can see why they might want to fund their activities but that doesn't prove CCP's innocence. Though five decades back but US administration ignored the blood telegram[1] when a genocide of millions happened and they supported the regime who did it, so they definitely are not some white knights as well. It would be hard to get hard evidence I think, there have been videos of prisoner transfers between these camps, satellite footage of these structures but CCP can always spin a different story about them. Anyway war is something no one should indulge in unless it threatens their own sovereignty, it is not worth it. I would say sanctions are reasonable though with the evidence we have seen, considering the other things as well which I had mentioned in my original comment. [1] https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blood_Telegram:_Nixon,_Kissinger,_and_a_Forgotten_Genocide https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Blood_Telegram:_Nixon,_K...

ardy42 6y ago

> If China is really doing this stuff, show me hard evidence. What exactly is "hard evidence" to you? The point of evidence is to get at the truth, and standards that are either too low or too high both fail to achieve that. The former admits lies; the latter denies truth, which can be thought of another kind of lie.