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$23k+ per pupil in NYC is underfunded?

quadrifoliate 6y ago
If that number was pre-COVID, then yes. No school system budgeted for healthcare-level precautions. Also, it doesn't seem overly surprising given the cost of living in NYC and how expensive everything else is. If the median price of a home in NYC is $799K [1] (likely the average is even higher), an average spending of $23K per pupil is not too surprising. [1] https://www.noradarealestate.com/blog/new-york-real-estate-market/ https://www.noradarealestate.com/blog/new-york-real-estate-m...
- eanzenberg 6y ago
  Who do you suppose pays for it then? At that level public schools shouldn’t exist as private do a better job by all metrics.
  - quadrifoliate 6y ago
    > At that level public schools shouldn’t exist as private do a better job by all metrics. There is no real "that level"; average are misleading without better context. Bill Gates walks into a bar and "the average net worth is 1 billion per person". > At that level public schools shouldn’t exist as private do a better job by all metrics. Private schools have the liberty to pick and choose their students. A special needs student that requires extensive care throughout the day will be rejected by a private school, but the public schools have to accommodate the student. Most private enterprises are efficient precisely because they select their customers with a view to minimum cost and maximum revenue. This is fundamentally incompatible with a public teaching system that has to serve everyone.
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > private do a better job by all metrics. Not much, if at all, when you correct for student body makeup. Private schools do a good job of selecting the students that would do better anyway.
- kortilla 6y ago
  > If the median price of a home in NYC is $799K A pointless stat in the context of school spending. A ton of NYC residents can’t afford homes and still send kids to school.
  - quadrifoliate 6y ago
    > A pointless stat in the context of school spending. A ton of NYC residents can’t afford homes and still send kids to school. How is it pointless? Do you think house prices don't affect the rent that those people have to pay to be residents? Where do you think all the employees of NYC schools stay? I mean, sure, quite a few probably stay in New Jersey and such, but in general the NYC area has inflated prices of everything, so I'm not overly surprised by inflated school spending.
gvjddbnvdrbv 6y ago
How much of that goes on rent? And is that rent paid directly back to the city?
- throwaway0a5e 6y ago
  Not much. NYC's schools (and the schools in most cities) are mostly on property that has been owned by the city for a very, very long time.

If that number was pre-COVID, then yes. No school system budgeted for healthcare-level precautions. Also, it doesn't seem overly surprising given the cost of living in NYC and how expensive everything else is. If the median price of a home in NYC is $799K [1] (likely the average is even higher), an average spending of $23K per pupil is not too surprising. [1] https://www.noradarealestate.com/blog/new-york-real-estate-market/ https://www.noradarealestate.com/blog/new-york-real-estate-m...

eanzenberg 6y ago
Who do you suppose pays for it then? At that level public schools shouldn’t exist as private do a better job by all metrics.
- quadrifoliate 6y ago
  > At that level public schools shouldn’t exist as private do a better job by all metrics. There is no real "that level"; average are misleading without better context. Bill Gates walks into a bar and "the average net worth is 1 billion per person". > At that level public schools shouldn’t exist as private do a better job by all metrics. Private schools have the liberty to pick and choose their students. A special needs student that requires extensive care throughout the day will be rejected by a private school, but the public schools have to accommodate the student. Most private enterprises are efficient precisely because they select their customers with a view to minimum cost and maximum revenue. This is fundamentally incompatible with a public teaching system that has to serve everyone.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > private do a better job by all metrics. Not much, if at all, when you correct for student body makeup. Private schools do a good job of selecting the students that would do better anyway.
kortilla 6y ago
> If the median price of a home in NYC is $799K A pointless stat in the context of school spending. A ton of NYC residents can’t afford homes and still send kids to school.
- quadrifoliate 6y ago
  > A pointless stat in the context of school spending. A ton of NYC residents can’t afford homes and still send kids to school. How is it pointless? Do you think house prices don't affect the rent that those people have to pay to be residents? Where do you think all the employees of NYC schools stay? I mean, sure, quite a few probably stay in New Jersey and such, but in general the NYC area has inflated prices of everything, so I'm not overly surprised by inflated school spending.

gvjddbnvdrbv 6y ago

How much of that goes on rent? And is that rent paid directly back to the city?

throwaway0a5e 6y ago
Not much. NYC's schools (and the schools in most cities) are mostly on property that has been owned by the city for a very, very long time.