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> most epidemiologists think a vaccine won't even be possible Unsourced statements like this are unhelpful. The language I've heard is "there is no guarantee

by stirlo 6y ago

> most epidemiologists think a vaccine won't even be possible Unsourced statements like this are unhelpful. The language I've heard is "there is no guarantee of a vaccine" which is very different to thinking it won't be possible at all. I'd suggest with the 200+ plus vaccine candidates being developed that many believe it is possible.

cblconfederate 6y ago
There are many different concerns. I havent done a rigorous meta-analysis but they also come from very respectable scientists. > https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-vaccine-may-be-impossible-to-produce-scientists-covid-2020-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-vaccine-may-be-i... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/funds-will-vaccine-coronavirus-really-possible/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-diseas... And notice that there haven't been very exciting news from the vaccine developmnent trials. If anything there were more setbacks than pleasant surprises.
ummonk 6y ago
There were concerns because SARS vaccine attempts hadn't been further developed due to apparent cytokine storm problems. I think we're far enough along to be confident that that isn't an issue with vaccines for this virus. Some people also make a comparison to the common cold coronaviruses which have a lot of strains and might be rapidly mutating. Honestly, it's a bad comparison because it's clear this coronavirus isn't mutating rapidly, and besides we haven't really tried to target common cold coronaviruses - why would we when rhinoviruses are the most frequent cause of the common cold?
- kuhewa 6y ago
  There's a bit more to it. The reason vaccines weren't developed previously for other coronaviruses is because in trials for a RSV vaccine, 80% of treated kids that got infected needed hospitalisation and two died, while something like 5% of the control infections needed hospitalisation. Due to antibody-dependent enhancement. So yes there are immunopathology concerns with eliciting a T-cell response, and inducing a humoral immune response has the potential to make things worse.
  - lbeltrame 6y ago
    That's why most trials take a look at the Th1 vs Th2 response to see if there's any indication of ADE. The currently available data do not seem to point to that.

by stirlo 6y ago

cblconfederate 6y ago

There are many different concerns. I havent done a rigorous meta-analysis but they also come from very respectable scientists. > https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-vaccine-may-be-impossible-to-produce-scientists-covid-2020-4 https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-vaccine-may-be-i... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-disease/funds-will-vaccine-coronavirus-really-possible/ https://www.telegraph.co.uk/global-health/science-and-diseas... And notice that there haven't been very exciting news from the vaccine developmnent trials. If anything there were more setbacks than pleasant surprises.

ummonk 6y ago

There were concerns because SARS vaccine attempts hadn't been further developed due to apparent cytokine storm problems. I think we're far enough along to be confident that that isn't an issue with vaccines for this virus. Some people also make a comparison to the common cold coronaviruses which have a lot of strains and might be rapidly mutating. Honestly, it's a bad comparison because it's clear this coronavirus isn't mutating rapidly, and besides we haven't really tried to target common cold coronaviruses - why would we when rhinoviruses are the most frequent cause of the common cold?

kuhewa 6y ago
There's a bit more to it. The reason vaccines weren't developed previously for other coronaviruses is because in trials for a RSV vaccine, 80% of treated kids that got infected needed hospitalisation and two died, while something like 5% of the control infections needed hospitalisation. Due to antibody-dependent enhancement. So yes there are immunopathology concerns with eliciting a T-cell response, and inducing a humoral immune response has the potential to make things worse.
- lbeltrame 6y ago
  That's why most trials take a look at the Th1 vs Th2 response to see if there's any indication of ADE. The currently available data do not seem to point to that.