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But ISIS was direct result of war on terror.

jariel 6y ago
? ISIS was founded in Syria not Iraq, if anything, ISIS was strongly emboldened by the withdrawal of US power in Iraq which freed up al-Maliki, the Iraqi PM to embark on a fairly vengeful and heavy handed attack in Sunnis. This is why Sunni tribes 'allowed' ISIS in. A small US presence would have kept ISIS out.
- phobosanomaly 6y ago
  I don't see anything as to which country the group specifically emerged in, but it looks like they've been around longer than I thought they had. "ISIL originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999, which pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda and participated in the Iraqi insurgency following the 2003 invasion of Iraq by Western forces at the behest of the United States. In June 2014, the group proclaimed itself a worldwide caliphate." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_...
- emilsedgh 6y ago
  ISIS was strongly emboldened by the withdrawal of US power in Iraq Right. And why was US in Iraq in the first place? Yes. War on terror. US started war on terror, destroyed a couple of existing orders; was not able to restore any order; left prematurely and irresponsibly, leaving a vacuum which was exploited by ISIS (and others).
  - dragonwriter 6y ago
    > And why was US in Iraq in the first place? Because George W. Bush had daddy issues (both of the “you tried to kill my” and “by outdoing I can escape the shadow of my” forms) and Dick Cheney (and the whole PNAC crew in the Bush Administration) had oil issues (of the “we must control it” form), all of which distracted from the war on terror.
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > ISIS was founded in Syria not Iraq, if anything It was founded in Iraq. It was an Iraq Islamist group, that became al-Qaeda in Iraq around the time of the US invasion (shortly before, IIRC) when associating with al-Qaeda was an opportunistic way to capitalize on al-Qaeda’s Islamist brand strength in the wake of 9/11; when it was strong enough locally that it no longer needed the al-Qaeda brand it dropped it and became the Islamic State in Iraq. As ISI it sent a splinter group to fight in Syria, which it reintegrated later and adopted the name translates variously as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, the dominant translation used publicly by Western governments) or Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS, the name that became most popular on the public media); it later dropped geographic monikers at the height of its power and branded simply as the Islamic State (though lots of people kept calling it ISIS.)

? ISIS was founded in Syria not Iraq, if anything, ISIS was strongly emboldened by the withdrawal of US power in Iraq which freed up al-Maliki, the Iraqi PM to embark on a fairly vengeful and heavy handed attack in Sunnis. This is why Sunni tribes 'allowed' ISIS in. A small US presence would have kept ISIS out.

phobosanomaly 6y ago
I don't see anything as to which country the group specifically emerged in, but it looks like they've been around longer than I thought they had. "ISIL originated as Jama'at al-Tawhid wal-Jihad in 1999, which pledged allegiance to al-Qaeda and participated in the Iraqi insurgency following the 2003 invasion of Iraq by Western forces at the behest of the United States. In June 2014, the group proclaimed itself a worldwide caliphate." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_Levant https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islamic_State_of_Iraq_and_the_...
emilsedgh 6y ago
ISIS was strongly emboldened by the withdrawal of US power in Iraq Right. And why was US in Iraq in the first place? Yes. War on terror. US started war on terror, destroyed a couple of existing orders; was not able to restore any order; left prematurely and irresponsibly, leaving a vacuum which was exploited by ISIS (and others).
- dragonwriter 6y ago
  > And why was US in Iraq in the first place? Because George W. Bush had daddy issues (both of the “you tried to kill my” and “by outdoing I can escape the shadow of my” forms) and Dick Cheney (and the whole PNAC crew in the Bush Administration) had oil issues (of the “we must control it” form), all of which distracted from the war on terror.
dragonwriter 6y ago
> ISIS was founded in Syria not Iraq, if anything It was founded in Iraq. It was an Iraq Islamist group, that became al-Qaeda in Iraq around the time of the US invasion (shortly before, IIRC) when associating with al-Qaeda was an opportunistic way to capitalize on al-Qaeda’s Islamist brand strength in the wake of 9/11; when it was strong enough locally that it no longer needed the al-Qaeda brand it dropped it and became the Islamic State in Iraq. As ISI it sent a splinter group to fight in Syria, which it reintegrated later and adopted the name translates variously as the Islamic State in Iraq and the Levant (ISIL, the dominant translation used publicly by Western governments) or Islamic State in Iraq and Syria (ISIS, the name that became most popular on the public media); it later dropped geographic monikers at the height of its power and branded simply as the Islamic State (though lots of people kept calling it ISIS.)