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I also think it's stupid to resent parents; they need the time for the kids, who aren't at fault in any of this. That said, why do you assume we all care about

I also think it's stupid to resent parents; they need the time for the kids, who aren't at fault in any of this. That said, why do you assume we all care about having a future society? Frankly I only care about existing humans. The species is irrelevant to me.

CydeWeys 6y ago
It doesn't matter if you personally don't care; society as a whole cares about its self-perpetuation. Also, your life is gonna be pretty damn bleak in your twilight years if everyone stops having children now. There will be no one to take care of the old people, no one to farm the food, etc. Every single job that keeps society up and running would have to be performed exclusively by elderly people, many of whom would be in no condition to work and would in fact need to be cared for rather than being able to care for others through work. Good luck with that.
mc32 6y ago
If you don’t care about the future of humanity then why care about progress at all? Why care about any species. Why care about pollution or climate change or anything?
- icebraining 6y ago
  Humanity is likely to decide continue having kids regardless of what I feel about it, and since I care about humans, I feel the obligation to protect those kids and their descendants. And similarly for other species.
  - CydeWeys 6y ago
    This seems to directly contradict your previous statement? It's not clear to me now what you're even trying to argue.
    - icebraining 6y ago
      I wish people would stop smoking. But since they likely won't, I feel the obligation to fund lung cancer research, to help the future cancer patients. I wish people would stop having children. But since they likely won't, I feel the obligation to keep the environment reasonably clean, to help the future humans.
      - somebodythere 6y ago
        yes i care about the quality of life for current and future humans but do not care about the perpetuation of humanity as a concept if humanity came to a slow end, probably aided by robots in its twilight, that would be fine
RHSeeger 6y ago
Ok. Lets say I don't care about your property rights. When you're not home, I can just walk into your home and take whatever I want. Obviously, I can't, because the society we live in values property rights and help people uphold theirs. The fact that there exist selfish individuals that don't care about society as a whole (and it's future) is irrelevant. As a society, we decide what things are important to us and everyone gets to help support those, like it or not.
- smallgovt 6y ago
  Huh? You're not allowed to walk into someone's home and steal their stuff because we have something called a legal system that will punish you. There is nothing in our legal system that compels you to care about future generations -- at least not in the way you're proclaiming. These childless workers are 100% entitled to their opinions about equitable compensation -- and they're entitled to lobby for these changes as well.
  - RHSeeger 6y ago
    The person I responded to was saying they didn't care about the future of the species. I was replying that we, as a society, DO care about the future of the species. We put laws in place to help further it's survival, mostly around supporting the currently existing children (tax breaks, education, etc), but also around helping people have more children (FMLA). The reason those laws exist really isn't that different from the laws that support property rights; they support things we, as a society, value.
    - smallgovt 6y ago
      Yes, but I don't see how that applies to the subject matter at hand. There is no law that says an employer has to provide extra financial support to parents in extenuating circumstances like this. > As a society, we decide what things are important to us and everyone gets to help support those, like it or not. If GP doesn't care about supporting parents or future generations (and he is in a position to make this decision), it's certainly his prerogative to not do so.

CydeWeys 6y ago

It doesn't matter if you personally don't care; society as a whole cares about its self-perpetuation. Also, your life is gonna be pretty damn bleak in your twilight years if everyone stops having children now. There will be no one to take care of the old people, no one to farm the food, etc. Every single job that keeps society up and running would have to be performed exclusively by elderly people, many of whom would be in no condition to work and would in fact need to be cared for rather than being able to care for others through work. Good luck with that.

mc32 6y ago

If you don’t care about the future of humanity then why care about progress at all? Why care about any species. Why care about pollution or climate change or anything?

icebraining 6y ago
Humanity is likely to decide continue having kids regardless of what I feel about it, and since I care about humans, I feel the obligation to protect those kids and their descendants. And similarly for other species.
- CydeWeys 6y ago
  This seems to directly contradict your previous statement? It's not clear to me now what you're even trying to argue.
  - icebraining 6y ago
    I wish people would stop smoking. But since they likely won't, I feel the obligation to fund lung cancer research, to help the future cancer patients. I wish people would stop having children. But since they likely won't, I feel the obligation to keep the environment reasonably clean, to help the future humans.
    - somebodythere 6y ago
      yes i care about the quality of life for current and future humans but do not care about the perpetuation of humanity as a concept if humanity came to a slow end, probably aided by robots in its twilight, that would be fine

RHSeeger 6y ago

Ok. Lets say I don't care about your property rights. When you're not home, I can just walk into your home and take whatever I want. Obviously, I can't, because the society we live in values property rights and help people uphold theirs. The fact that there exist selfish individuals that don't care about society as a whole (and it's future) is irrelevant. As a society, we decide what things are important to us and everyone gets to help support those, like it or not.

smallgovt 6y ago
Huh? You're not allowed to walk into someone's home and steal their stuff because we have something called a legal system that will punish you. There is nothing in our legal system that compels you to care about future generations -- at least not in the way you're proclaiming. These childless workers are 100% entitled to their opinions about equitable compensation -- and they're entitled to lobby for these changes as well.
- RHSeeger 6y ago
  The person I responded to was saying they didn't care about the future of the species. I was replying that we, as a society, DO care about the future of the species. We put laws in place to help further it's survival, mostly around supporting the currently existing children (tax breaks, education, etc), but also around helping people have more children (FMLA). The reason those laws exist really isn't that different from the laws that support property rights; they support things we, as a society, value.
  - smallgovt 6y ago
    Yes, but I don't see how that applies to the subject matter at hand. There is no law that says an employer has to provide extra financial support to parents in extenuating circumstances like this. > As a society, we decide what things are important to us and everyone gets to help support those, like it or not. If GP doesn't care about supporting parents or future generations (and he is in a position to make this decision), it's certainly his prerogative to not do so.