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You can write a game without using Unreal Engine. You can't write an iPhone app without Apple's permission, even if you don't use a single byte from their SDK.

You can write a game without using Unreal Engine. You can't write an iPhone app without Apple's permission, even if you don't use a single byte from their SDK. The "the app store pays for libraries" argument is total bullshit. Apple wants 30% of your Spotify subscription because they saw it, they wanted it, and now they're having a temper tantrum about it. Not because they laid the foundation for Spotify.

pjmlp 6y ago
In game consoles you can't even start coding for them unless they happen to like you, and on top pay several thousands for a devkit.
- gamblor956 6y ago
  This is false. Sony and MS games can be programmed without licenses or devkits (which make it much easier to debug games by providing debug access not available on retail consoles). Moreover, devkits are frequently made available for free by both companies to indie developers and even major partners.
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    Please provide the link for the Sony SDK, and Microsoft's XDK. In Microsoft's case, UWP on XBox doesn't count as it is castrated to the actual OS capabilities, and hasn't been updated for a while and most likely it won't.
    - gamblor956 6y ago
      SDK:https://www.xbox.com/en-US/developers https://www.xbox.com/en-US/developers In some version of Visual Studio the SDK can be downloaded from within the program. XDK: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/gaming/xbox-live/get-started/setup-ide/managed-partners/vstudio-xbox/live-where-to-get-xdk https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/gaming/xbox-live/get-starte... The XDK (aka HDK) includes physical hardware and is intended for more demanding games. Sony SDK: https://www.companyregistration.playstation.com/SCEInternetApplications/AreaNewLicensee/MainSystem/CFModules/NewLicensee/snl_master_template.cfm?v_which_region=scea https://www.companyregistration.playstation.com/SCEInternetA... The Sony SDK and HDKs are available to registered partners only, though registration is free and the SDK (but not the HDK) is free to all partners.
  - eigen 6y ago
    > Sony and MS games can be programmed without licenses or devkits (which make it much easier to debug games by providing debug access not available on retail consoles). Xbox developer mode [1] appears to require a valid, current Partner Center app developer account [2]. Individual accounts are $19 and "With a developer account, you can submit apps and games to Microsoft marketplaces, including the Microsoft Store." so you dont need a devkit but would need an Xbox and you do need an account to publish. so yes, while you dont need a xbox dev account to program, you dont need an apple dev account to program either. you just need a dev account on either platform to publish. [1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/xbox-apps/devkit-activation https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/xbox-apps/devki... [2] https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/store/register/ https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/store/register/

pjmlp 6y ago

In game consoles you can't even start coding for them unless they happen to like you, and on top pay several thousands for a devkit.

gamblor956 6y ago
This is false. Sony and MS games can be programmed without licenses or devkits (which make it much easier to debug games by providing debug access not available on retail consoles). Moreover, devkits are frequently made available for free by both companies to indie developers and even major partners.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Please provide the link for the Sony SDK, and Microsoft's XDK. In Microsoft's case, UWP on XBox doesn't count as it is castrated to the actual OS capabilities, and hasn't been updated for a while and most likely it won't.
  - gamblor956 6y ago
    SDK:https://www.xbox.com/en-US/developers https://www.xbox.com/en-US/developers In some version of Visual Studio the SDK can be downloaded from within the program. XDK: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/gaming/xbox-live/get-started/setup-ide/managed-partners/vstudio-xbox/live-where-to-get-xdk https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/gaming/xbox-live/get-starte... The XDK (aka HDK) includes physical hardware and is intended for more demanding games. Sony SDK: https://www.companyregistration.playstation.com/SCEInternetApplications/AreaNewLicensee/MainSystem/CFModules/NewLicensee/snl_master_template.cfm?v_which_region=scea https://www.companyregistration.playstation.com/SCEInternetA... The Sony SDK and HDKs are available to registered partners only, though registration is free and the SDK (but not the HDK) is free to all partners.
- eigen 6y ago
  > Sony and MS games can be programmed without licenses or devkits (which make it much easier to debug games by providing debug access not available on retail consoles). Xbox developer mode [1] appears to require a valid, current Partner Center app developer account [2]. Individual accounts are $19 and "With a developer account, you can submit apps and games to Microsoft marketplaces, including the Microsoft Store." so you dont need a devkit but would need an Xbox and you do need an account to publish. so yes, while you dont need a xbox dev account to program, you dont need an apple dev account to program either. you just need a dev account on either platform to publish. [1] https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/xbox-apps/devkit-activation https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/uwp/xbox-apps/devki... [2] https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/store/register/ https://developer.microsoft.com/en-us/store/register/