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> your buying the iPhone comes with access to apps through the the App Store, not any software that you like And that's a problem. I am buying an iPhone, per A

> your buying the iPhone comes with access to apps through the the App Store, not any software that you like And that's a problem. I am buying an iPhone, per Apple, not renting it. Therefore I should be allowed to run whatever I please on my hardware.

supernova87a 6y ago
> Therefore I should be allowed to run whatever I please on my hardware. Well, that can definitely be your opinion. But whether that's fact or supported by our current laws is not at all certain. Let's at least be clear what's fact and what's desire.
- ShroudedNight 6y ago
  Given your first post: > ...buying the iPhone comes with access to apps through the the App Store, not any software that you like. That's clear to almost everyone I would think.... > It's a design and pricing choice. And you buy in or you don't. This follow up: > ...whether that's fact or supported by our current laws is not at all certain Appears to at least be an explicit moving of the goal posts, if not claiming advantage from both sides of the argument. Is it clear that the relationship is a legally enforced 'take it or leave it', or isn't it?
  - supernova87a 6y ago
    I don't know what argument you're talking about. I'm trying to be charitable to the person above and not outright say that "no, you don't get to run whatever software he likes on a phone he bought". He's on the losing side, but maybe laws in the future will change. Right now, it's totally within a company's rights (and a consumer's rights) to review the terms of a sale of a product/service, and agree to them or not.
simonh 6y ago
I agree that once you own it, you have the right to do with it what you like. I have personally jail broken an iPod Touch and an iPhone to load Cydia on them back in the day and I believe I had the right to do so. On the other hand you and I don’t have the right to dictate to Apple what software they write and what features it has. That includes features for installing and managing software packages, software upgrades, security features, etc.

supernova87a 6y ago

> Therefore I should be allowed to run whatever I please on my hardware. Well, that can definitely be your opinion. But whether that's fact or supported by our current laws is not at all certain. Let's at least be clear what's fact and what's desire.

ShroudedNight 6y ago
Given your first post: > ...buying the iPhone comes with access to apps through the the App Store, not any software that you like. That's clear to almost everyone I would think.... > It's a design and pricing choice. And you buy in or you don't. This follow up: > ...whether that's fact or supported by our current laws is not at all certain Appears to at least be an explicit moving of the goal posts, if not claiming advantage from both sides of the argument. Is it clear that the relationship is a legally enforced 'take it or leave it', or isn't it?
- supernova87a 6y ago
  I don't know what argument you're talking about. I'm trying to be charitable to the person above and not outright say that "no, you don't get to run whatever software he likes on a phone he bought". He's on the losing side, but maybe laws in the future will change. Right now, it's totally within a company's rights (and a consumer's rights) to review the terms of a sale of a product/service, and agree to them or not.

simonh 6y ago

I agree that once you own it, you have the right to do with it what you like. I have personally jail broken an iPod Touch and an iPhone to load Cydia on them back in the day and I believe I had the right to do so. On the other hand you and I don’t have the right to dictate to Apple what software they write and what features it has. That includes features for installing and managing software packages, software upgrades, security features, etc.