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> just charge them for development tools Thing is, Apple still charges $100 USD per year for a developer license which lets you distribute your app, so this is

> just charge them for development tools Thing is, Apple still charges $100 USD per year for a developer license which lets you distribute your app, so this is already happening! :)

dgellow 6y ago
Even worse. $100 is for individual developers, it’s $299 per year for organizations. Google asks for $25, once, for a team that can be an individual or an organization, as you wish.
- hinkley 6y ago
  Even wor... really? That is less than the coffee bean budget for a month at most of these organizations. They probably spend more than that a year on parts and labor for the coffee equipment. That organization fee is a token fee. A little friction so that it makes you serious and it stings a bit if it gets cancelled. To maybe not faff about and get down to shipping a product. A few bucks to cover things like CA maintenance and help fund some outreach programs I suspect. $100 for individuals might be a bit on the steep side, I'll grant you. Or a stick to get you to become an organization as soon as possible.
  - zakki 6y ago
    Even worse is in relation with 30% cut. They charge $100 per year for the development tools. Yet, the outcome of the development tools must be sold in Apple market with 30% cut.
  - dgellow 6y ago
    It’s 10 times the $25 from Google Play, and is per year. That’s in addition to the $100 that you have for the Apple store as far I understood their documentation.
    - hinkley 6y ago
      I mean, that's 12x, but last I heard you also make about 8x as much money on iOS as you do on Google Play, so dickering over $274 is still petty.
- ncw96 6y ago
  If you are an organization, Apple’s fee is still $99 per year for the standard account with App Store publishing access. There is a second program called the Apple Developer Enterprise Program, which is $299 per year, and is only required if you wish to deploy apps for internal use across your organization without using the App Store.
  - dgellow 6y ago
    Correct, I mixed “enterprise” and “organization”. Thanks for the clarification and additional details
- dwaite 6y ago
  It is $99 for developer organizations. It is $299 for enterprises who wish to do their own enterprise signing (e.g skip the store).
pier25 6y ago
Yep. From the court documents, Apple said there are 27M AppStore registered devs. Even if only half of those pay $100 per year that's still about $1.3B per year.
- pjmlp 6y ago
  Pennies, when compared with console devkit prices.
  - saagarjha 6y ago
    Surely there are not 27 million console developers?
    - pjmlp 6y ago
      No, because the money stakes to get into the console development game party is much higher than iOS, which apparently Epic is happy to pay for.
  - pier25 6y ago
    Those devs do still need a Mac and (most likely) an iOS device too. There's your dev kit. Edit: It's even worse than with consoles as every dev needs at least a Mac. When developing for consoles most work is not done on the dev kit itself.

> just charge them for development tools Thing is, Apple still charges $100 USD per year for a developer license which lets you distribute your app, so this is already happening! :)

dgellow 6y ago

Even worse. $100 is for individual developers, it’s $299 per year for organizations. Google asks for $25, once, for a team that can be an individual or an organization, as you wish.

hinkley 6y ago
Even wor... really? That is less than the coffee bean budget for a month at most of these organizations. They probably spend more than that a year on parts and labor for the coffee equipment. That organization fee is a token fee. A little friction so that it makes you serious and it stings a bit if it gets cancelled. To maybe not faff about and get down to shipping a product. A few bucks to cover things like CA maintenance and help fund some outreach programs I suspect. $100 for individuals might be a bit on the steep side, I'll grant you. Or a stick to get you to become an organization as soon as possible.
- zakki 6y ago
  Even worse is in relation with 30% cut. They charge $100 per year for the development tools. Yet, the outcome of the development tools must be sold in Apple market with 30% cut.
- dgellow 6y ago
  It’s 10 times the $25 from Google Play, and is per year. That’s in addition to the $100 that you have for the Apple store as far I understood their documentation.
  - hinkley 6y ago
    I mean, that's 12x, but last I heard you also make about 8x as much money on iOS as you do on Google Play, so dickering over $274 is still petty.
ncw96 6y ago
If you are an organization, Apple’s fee is still $99 per year for the standard account with App Store publishing access. There is a second program called the Apple Developer Enterprise Program, which is $299 per year, and is only required if you wish to deploy apps for internal use across your organization without using the App Store.
- dgellow 6y ago
  Correct, I mixed “enterprise” and “organization”. Thanks for the clarification and additional details
dwaite 6y ago
It is $99 for developer organizations. It is $299 for enterprises who wish to do their own enterprise signing (e.g skip the store).

pier25 6y ago

Yep. From the court documents, Apple said there are 27M AppStore registered devs. Even if only half of those pay $100 per year that's still about $1.3B per year.

pjmlp 6y ago
Pennies, when compared with console devkit prices.
- saagarjha 6y ago
  Surely there are not 27 million console developers?
  - pjmlp 6y ago
    No, because the money stakes to get into the console development game party is much higher than iOS, which apparently Epic is happy to pay for.
- pier25 6y ago
  Those devs do still need a Mac and (most likely) an iOS device too. There's your dev kit. Edit: It's even worse than with consoles as every dev needs at least a Mac. When developing for consoles most work is not done on the dev kit itself.