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That something is written on a contract does not means that is enforceable. If not I will create a contract that says you are now the president and you will sti

That something is written on a contract does not means that is enforceable. If not I will create a contract that says you are now the president and you will still not be.

bad_user 6y ago
The contract developers have with Apple involves use of Apple's property. A contract may not be enforceable, but only if it contradicts the law. In this instance, I don't see how.
- kevingadd 6y ago
  What physical property of Apple's is involved here? There's intellectual property, but at the end of the day the purpose of their Intellectual Property Rights in this scenario is to ensure that after paying them $1000 for a phone they still get to collect 30% of all the purchases you make using that phone in perpetuity (as long as they can get away with it), while also limiting what you can do with your Physical Property that you paid for. I suppose if you don't like it you can go buy an Android phone and just give away all your data in addition to the 30%. Also worth considering: How much of Apple's intellectual property here could exist without them harvesting decades of free/open software development history unpaid? And now they're complaining that someone used their SDK after paying the license fees?
- gpm 6y ago
  > I don't see how. I suggest you read up on this dispute then, because the whole cause of this dispute is that Epic believes the contract violates anti-trust law.
parasubvert 6y ago
Apple’s contract is completely normal though. Resale distribution channels for locked in platforms aren’t new: Ticketmaster, PlayStation, Nintendo, Xbox, etc The only difference is people want to change the rules because they feel Apple (and Google) have won the game forever and App Stores should now be regulated like utilities.
- bsaul 6y ago
  The analogy with videogame console is i think the best one. I hate Apple rules on the app store, but i’ve always wondered if they hadn’t just copied the gaming console business models. Which makes me wonder : is there any way to distribute your own game to playstation users, without having to ask or pay anything to sony ?
  - parasubvert 6y ago
    Generally, no, unless is the equivalent of a jailbreak. Same for any console, though some are very restrictive and have very specific pricing guidelines (eg. Nintendo).

That something is written on a contract does not means that is enforceable. If not I will create a contract that says you are now the president and you will still not be.

bad_user 6y ago

The contract developers have with Apple involves use of Apple's property. A contract may not be enforceable, but only if it contradicts the law. In this instance, I don't see how.

kevingadd 6y ago
What physical property of Apple's is involved here? There's intellectual property, but at the end of the day the purpose of their Intellectual Property Rights in this scenario is to ensure that after paying them $1000 for a phone they still get to collect 30% of all the purchases you make using that phone in perpetuity (as long as they can get away with it), while also limiting what you can do with your Physical Property that you paid for. I suppose if you don't like it you can go buy an Android phone and just give away all your data in addition to the 30%. Also worth considering: How much of Apple's intellectual property here could exist without them harvesting decades of free/open software development history unpaid? And now they're complaining that someone used their SDK after paying the license fees?
gpm 6y ago
> I don't see how. I suggest you read up on this dispute then, because the whole cause of this dispute is that Epic believes the contract violates anti-trust law.

parasubvert 6y ago

Apple’s contract is completely normal though. Resale distribution channels for locked in platforms aren’t new: Ticketmaster, PlayStation, Nintendo, Xbox, etc The only difference is people want to change the rules because they feel Apple (and Google) have won the game forever and App Stores should now be regulated like utilities.

bsaul 6y ago
The analogy with videogame console is i think the best one. I hate Apple rules on the app store, but i’ve always wondered if they hadn’t just copied the gaming console business models. Which makes me wonder : is there any way to distribute your own game to playstation users, without having to ask or pay anything to sony ?
- parasubvert 6y ago
  Generally, no, unless is the equivalent of a jailbreak. Same for any console, though some are very restrictive and have very specific pricing guidelines (eg. Nintendo).