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By that measure, one could get the absurd idea to expect getting paid time off for that woodworking project. It even has "work" right in the name. Nobody does e
by usrusr 6y ago
By that measure, one could get the absurd idea to expect getting paid time off for that woodworking project. It even has "work" right in the name. Nobody does expect that though. Better arguments should be easy to find.
- jacquesm 6y agoWoodworking is a hobby. Raising kids is a full time job, no time off, no pay, no changing jobs.
- nicbou 6y agoWhat if "woodworking" was replaced with "volunteer firefighting"?
- garden_hermit 6y agoIf the region is at threat from massive wildfires, yes! Just the same, if there is an national pandemic that has upended all traditional childcare options, then maybe give some slack to the parents
- jacquesm 6y agoThis has to be the all time prize winner in moving the goalposts.
- nicbou 6y agoI'm not trying to move goalposts. My point is that parents get a special privilege that people with similarly charitable obligations wouldn't. If I wanted to do something undeniably good for society that is NOT rearing children, my employer wouldn't let me off the hook without a pay cut.
- ethanwillis 6y agoMaybe instead of focusing on parents getting some flexibility that you don't you should drop that completely and only make the argument that everyone (parents included) should be given leeway by employers to have flexibility when it comes to contributing to the public versus a private organization.
- nicbou 6y agoThat's exactly the argument I have made, but perhaps it was under a different branch. I get a bit confused by the flow of conversation on HN.
- rdtwo 6y agoWhat if you joined the national guard I’m pretty sure they would. Why don’t you try it and see
- klmadfejno 6y agoMaking accommodation rules is hard. There's a lot more parents than there are firefighters. Maybe it makes sense to have a one off rule for parents.
- 9nGQluzmnq3M 6y agoI've worked for several companies that offered paid time off for volunteering. (With plenty of conditions and limits, of course.)
- baddox 6y agoFunny how we all seem to have just implicitly accepted that any people having any number of children under any circumstances is “undeniably good for society.”
- devit 6y agoIt's possible to put up the kids for adoption, or more practically aborting them in advance.
- recursive 6y agoThat's a hot take. I think a lot (almost all?) parents would rather lose their jobs that put their kids up for adoption. And abortion is only possible prior to birth. Most of the parents we're talking about now had kids prior to covid even being a thing.
- dang 6y agoPlease don't do this here.
- smabie 6y agoI mean, having kids is a hobby too. Both woodworking and having kids are born from free-will and decisions (except in exceptional circumstances).
- evv 6y agoHistorically, the exceptional circumstance is the free-will you speak of. It is a biological imperative, not a hobby.
- solidsnack9000 6y agoHaving kids is not a job.
- ineedasername 6y agoDon't get caught up splitting semantic hairs: having kids takes a lot of work. That's all people mean when they refer to it as a "job"
- solidsnack9000 6y agoWell, jacquesm must mean something more than that, because woodworking is also a lot of work but jacquesm seems to feel that parenting should be treated differently. Recognizing a distinction someone else is trying to draw with a term isn't splitting hairs.