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Is it a deep problem? You can download content you want to keep. There are many services like evernote and pocket that can help you with it.

TeMPOraL 6y ago
It is, because it ultimately comes down to owner's control of how their content is being used. For example, a modern news site will want the ability to define which text is "authoritative", and make modifications to it on the fly, including unpublishing it. As a reader OTOH, I want a permanent, immutable copy of everything said site ever publishes, so that silent edits and unpublishing is not possible. These two perspectives are in conflict, and that conflict repeats itself throughout the entire web.
- PaulHoule 6y ago
  Some consumers will want the latest and greatest content. To please everyone (other than the owner) you'd need to look at the content across time, versions, alternate world views,... Thus "deep". My central use case is that I might 'scrape' content from sources such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ... and have the process be "repeatable" in the sense that: 1. The system archives the original inputs and the process to create refined data outputs 2. If the inputs change the system should normally be able to download updated versions of the inputs, apply the process and produce good outputs 3. If something goes wrong there are sufficient diagnostics and tests that would show invariants are broken, or that the system can't tell how many fingers you are holding up 4. and in that case you can revert to "known good" inputs I am thinking of data products here, but even if the 'product' is a paper, presentation, or report that involves human judgements there should be a structured process to propagate changes.

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Is it a deep problem? You can download content you want to keep. There are many services like evernote and pocket that can help you with it.

by alisonkisk 6y ago

TeMPOraL 6y ago
It is, because it ultimately comes down to owner's control of how their content is being used. For example, a modern news site will want the ability to define which text is "authoritative", and make modifications to it on the fly, including unpublishing it. As a reader OTOH, I want a permanent, immutable copy of everything said site ever publishes, so that silent edits and unpublishing is not possible. These two perspectives are in conflict, and that conflict repeats itself throughout the entire web.
- PaulHoule 6y ago
  Some consumers will want the latest and greatest content. To please everyone (other than the owner) you'd need to look at the content across time, versions, alternate world views,... Thus "deep". My central use case is that I might 'scrape' content from sources such as https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territories_by_area https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_U.S._states_and_territ... and have the process be "repeatable" in the sense that: 1. The system archives the original inputs and the process to create refined data outputs 2. If the inputs change the system should normally be able to download updated versions of the inputs, apply the process and produce good outputs 3. If something goes wrong there are sufficient diagnostics and tests that would show invariants are broken, or that the system can't tell how many fingers you are holding up 4. and in that case you can revert to "known good" inputs I am thinking of data products here, but even if the 'product' is a paper, presentation, or report that involves human judgements there should be a structured process to propagate changes.