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Just wish there was a place like HN but with people who see the bullshit in imperialism. This is the place I come for rational discussion but when it comes to g

Just wish there was a place like HN but with people who see the bullshit in imperialism. This is the place I come for rational discussion but when it comes to geopolitical issues, the globalist/western propaganda is rampant. Being from a country that has always been under US interventionism makes it unnerving. Lots of the people here, even if more (copy)left leaning, when it comes to geopolitics they just believe the western anti-communist koolaid; which is the reason I refrain from commenting anything that goes against the "commom sense" western propaganda.

VamosArgentina 6y ago
I'm in a similar situation but generally try to rationalize our different opinions, even if it won't result in us agreeing. I think it has value
FooBarWidget 6y ago
Don't let the downvotes discourage you.
mdorazio 6y ago
The problem is the US doesn't have a monopoly on imperialism anymore and is not the only country pursuing questionable practices with respect to technology. A lot of critics of US policy changes on topics like this one have their own set of blinders on when it comes to this fact. You end up seeing a weird kind of cognitive dissonance in comments as a result. It's generally best to avoid this trap by either talking about what the likely end results will be (fragmented web ecosystems bounded by per-country restrictions) or to talk in country-neutral objectives (no country should allow massive data collection and privacy breaches in apps, regardless of their place of origin).
readarticle 6y ago
Somehow these social media giants from X would be allowed to collect crazy amount of data on their users, but Y’s would be deemed illegal. Could unironically be answered “Yes, and?” in a rational discussion about geopolitical issues, especially one without a globalist (or specifically western) bent. I’ve gone ahead and done that in response to the GP just now.
- mola 6y ago
  Rational geopolitics usually lead to war. Because rationality, the kind you talk about, is a farce, a rationalizing, that hides the true motives. When these are not acknowledge you can't critic the actions on the correct terms. Thus these "rationality" usually spirals out of control. Friendship, joint ideals empathy, are not strictly rational.
  - readarticle 6y ago
    Friendship, joint ideals, and empathy don’t exist at the international level without a third party security guarantor keeping the various sides down, see: the history of Europe pre 1945 (and post ~2030 or so). You’re not coming to HN to look for a rational discussion of geopolitics, you’re looking for someone to agree with.
stann 6y ago
Same here. HN has recently been swamped with polarizing geopolitical rhetoric. Finding it more difficult to get any rational discourse outside the pro-US echo chamber
BTCOG 6y ago
You may try visiting a forum based in your own country, as HackerNews is based primarily on Silicon Valley in the United States. I think you're completely barking up the wrong tree if you're looking to support communism or speak positively of communism in any United States hosted/primarily based setting and for great reason!
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VamosArgentina 6y ago

I'm in a similar situation but generally try to rationalize our different opinions, even if it won't result in us agreeing. I think it has value

FooBarWidget 6y ago

Don't let the downvotes discourage you.

mdorazio 6y ago

The problem is the US doesn't have a monopoly on imperialism anymore and is not the only country pursuing questionable practices with respect to technology. A lot of critics of US policy changes on topics like this one have their own set of blinders on when it comes to this fact. You end up seeing a weird kind of cognitive dissonance in comments as a result. It's generally best to avoid this trap by either talking about what the likely end results will be (fragmented web ecosystems bounded by per-country restrictions) or to talk in country-neutral objectives (no country should allow massive data collection and privacy breaches in apps, regardless of their place of origin).

readarticle 6y ago

Somehow these social media giants from X would be allowed to collect crazy amount of data on their users, but Y’s would be deemed illegal. Could unironically be answered “Yes, and?” in a rational discussion about geopolitical issues, especially one without a globalist (or specifically western) bent. I’ve gone ahead and done that in response to the GP just now.

mola 6y ago
Rational geopolitics usually lead to war. Because rationality, the kind you talk about, is a farce, a rationalizing, that hides the true motives. When these are not acknowledge you can't critic the actions on the correct terms. Thus these "rationality" usually spirals out of control. Friendship, joint ideals empathy, are not strictly rational.
- readarticle 6y ago
  Friendship, joint ideals, and empathy don’t exist at the international level without a third party security guarantor keeping the various sides down, see: the history of Europe pre 1945 (and post ~2030 or so). You’re not coming to HN to look for a rational discussion of geopolitics, you’re looking for someone to agree with.

stann 6y ago

Same here. HN has recently been swamped with polarizing geopolitical rhetoric. Finding it more difficult to get any rational discourse outside the pro-US echo chamber

BTCOG 6y ago

You may try visiting a forum based in your own country, as HackerNews is based primarily on Silicon Valley in the United States. I think you're completely barking up the wrong tree if you're looking to support communism or speak positively of communism in any United States hosted/primarily based setting and for great reason!

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