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Do you have a link for that? I've been listening to his Napoleon podcast and he seems left-leaning to me. They do talk about politics from time to time.

leahey 6y ago
Grab a No Agenda episode at random and give it a spin.
- oagboghi2 6y ago
  That isn't proof of anything. Name an episode, give a time stamp, or stop the bullshit.
mikece 6y ago
No Agenda is primarily media deconstruction. If you believe the media are telling you the truth, the full truth, and nothing but the truth then you'll hate the podcast.
- leahey 6y ago
  Note to others: this is just the line they reiterate on the show itself.
  - mistermann 6y ago
    It is that, but not just that - it is also true (to some degree). Or, are you under the impression that the media is truly independent and always tells the full truth in an unbiased manner, that no alternative media organization has ever legitimately exposed even a single mainstream narrative that was less than truthful?
    - leahey 6y ago
      Yeah I reckon you can't call one podcast an alt right conspiracy spew without believing "the media is truly independent and always tells the full truth in an unbiased manner, that no alternative media organization has ever legitimately exposed even a single mainstream narrative that was less than truthful."
      - mikece 6y ago
        It seems you conflate "deviating from mainstream media" as being alt-right. I'm sure people like Amy Goodman, Cenk Uygur, Tim Pool, and Ezra Klein would be surprised to learn this puts them firmly in the alt-right. In fact, thinking the mainstream is useless doesn't betoken right or left, only that what the major networks are saying doesn't correspond with reality on the ground.
        leahey 6y ago
        You’ve defined No Agenda or Curry as just being “deviating from mainstream media,” decided that is what I must mean by alt-right, and worked yourself up into a lather about it. How you can determine what I am or am not conflating based on my statement about a single media property and the guy behind it is beyond me. We get it. You’re a fan. You don’t want to be a fan of an alt right guy. That’s your conundrum to work out, not mine.
        markkanof 6y ago
        Then why don't you actually state what it is about Adam Curry that makes him alt-right in your mind. You have not done that yet.
        leahey 6y ago
        I've said it several times. Grab an episode of No Agenda and give it a listen. Alternatively, check out any of the times he has filled in for Alex Jones on Infowars; a quick Google turns up the August 9, 2017 episode.
        markkanof 6y ago
        I've listened to every episode of No Agenda since maybe 2008 or so. Yes, I am a fan, so biased, but I see no real evidence of him fitting any definition of alt-right, but again, since you haven't actually defined what you mean by that or given any concrete examples, I have to assume you are just trolling. Seems wrong though to throw someone into that category since these days many people use the term alt-right as a synonym for racist or Nazi.
- core-questions 6y ago
  Like many things in this vein you have to look past Curry and Dvorak's own speculative editorialization from time to time, but the actual analysis of the media is very enlightening. You can make your own reactions to the clips they highlight; that's the key thing, to develop the mindset of having a critical eye for what you're being told - and in what format, and with what narrative tricks. Some people think that this means they're "alt right", but all that means is that they don't know what "alt right" actually is at all. Both Curry and Dvorak are very classically liberal people, American individualists or perhaps libertarians, which is a totally different political theory than fascism. Of course, most people have no idea what "fascism" is, which is why they feel comfortable calling Totalitarian Liberalism fascism as though there were no differences.
  - leahey 6y ago
    You made a little feint there in your second sentence of the second paragraph -- who said anything about fascism? I suspect it might be you that doesn't know what alt-right means in your confusion between the two. That would also explain your waving away the reality that classical liberalism underpins much of the alt-right movement. You might notice many folks espousing the views of one Ayn Rand, for example. Beyond that, and returning to the actual subject at hand, there is very little "deconstruction" -- to the extent that is a thing, in the show. Perhaps in the early days. It has long since devolved in to a Trump apologist show, regurgitating Fox News and Breitbart talking points. You need only look to see where else Curry has appeared.
    - core-questions 6y ago
      > who said anything about fascism The alt-right is basically fascism, no? I don't mean in the normal online accusatory fashion, I mean in the "literally fans of Mussolini" fashion. Or maybe we mean two different groups of people? I'm thinking of the folks involved with Charlottesville, etc. as opposed to the "alt lite" which is Ben Shapiro / Sargon / Cernovich and their ilk, who are distinct in the sense that they ostensibly disavow racism etc. and are more classical liberalists. > , there is very little "deconstruction" -- to the extent that is a thing, in the show That's a matter of opinion, I guess? I agree it has devolved since 2016, but there's still the occasional gem in there.
- dguaraglia 6y ago
  Don't believe their narrative. Go back to any episode in the 2009/2016 range and you'll notice a significant difference on the amount of time they spent discussing politics and criticizing the government vs. just 'deconstructing' the media. Weirdly - for a media deconstruction podcast - they rarely had any criticism of right-wing media, they even came to an agreement at some point about explicitly ignoring right-wing media. The 'purely media deconstruction' script was adopted when a Republican they liked became president. Suddenly the show became exclusively about criticizing the media's coverage of the Trump administration and all criticism of government was dropped or became about 'optics'. Someone with a cynical streak would conclude that they always had an agenda.
  - nailer 6y ago
    Sure but the thread is about whether this person is alt right, not whether they are conservative.

leahey 6y ago

Grab a No Agenda episode at random and give it a spin.

oagboghi2 6y ago
That isn't proof of anything. Name an episode, give a time stamp, or stop the bullshit.

mikece 6y ago

No Agenda is primarily media deconstruction. If you believe the media are telling you the truth, the full truth, and nothing but the truth then you'll hate the podcast.

leahey 6y ago
Note to others: this is just the line they reiterate on the show itself.
- mistermann 6y ago
  It is that, but not just that - it is also true (to some degree). Or, are you under the impression that the media is truly independent and always tells the full truth in an unbiased manner, that no alternative media organization has ever legitimately exposed even a single mainstream narrative that was less than truthful?
  - leahey 6y ago
    Yeah I reckon you can't call one podcast an alt right conspiracy spew without believing "the media is truly independent and always tells the full truth in an unbiased manner, that no alternative media organization has ever legitimately exposed even a single mainstream narrative that was less than truthful."
    - mikece 6y ago
      It seems you conflate "deviating from mainstream media" as being alt-right. I'm sure people like Amy Goodman, Cenk Uygur, Tim Pool, and Ezra Klein would be surprised to learn this puts them firmly in the alt-right. In fact, thinking the mainstream is useless doesn't betoken right or left, only that what the major networks are saying doesn't correspond with reality on the ground.
      - leahey 6y ago
        You’ve defined No Agenda or Curry as just being “deviating from mainstream media,” decided that is what I must mean by alt-right, and worked yourself up into a lather about it. How you can determine what I am or am not conflating based on my statement about a single media property and the guy behind it is beyond me. We get it. You’re a fan. You don’t want to be a fan of an alt right guy. That’s your conundrum to work out, not mine.
        markkanof 6y ago
        Then why don't you actually state what it is about Adam Curry that makes him alt-right in your mind. You have not done that yet.
        leahey 6y ago
        I've said it several times. Grab an episode of No Agenda and give it a listen. Alternatively, check out any of the times he has filled in for Alex Jones on Infowars; a quick Google turns up the August 9, 2017 episode.
        markkanof 6y ago
        I've listened to every episode of No Agenda since maybe 2008 or so. Yes, I am a fan, so biased, but I see no real evidence of him fitting any definition of alt-right, but again, since you haven't actually defined what you mean by that or given any concrete examples, I have to assume you are just trolling. Seems wrong though to throw someone into that category since these days many people use the term alt-right as a synonym for racist or Nazi.
core-questions 6y ago
Like many things in this vein you have to look past Curry and Dvorak's own speculative editorialization from time to time, but the actual analysis of the media is very enlightening. You can make your own reactions to the clips they highlight; that's the key thing, to develop the mindset of having a critical eye for what you're being told - and in what format, and with what narrative tricks. Some people think that this means they're "alt right", but all that means is that they don't know what "alt right" actually is at all. Both Curry and Dvorak are very classically liberal people, American individualists or perhaps libertarians, which is a totally different political theory than fascism. Of course, most people have no idea what "fascism" is, which is why they feel comfortable calling Totalitarian Liberalism fascism as though there were no differences.
- leahey 6y ago
  You made a little feint there in your second sentence of the second paragraph -- who said anything about fascism? I suspect it might be you that doesn't know what alt-right means in your confusion between the two. That would also explain your waving away the reality that classical liberalism underpins much of the alt-right movement. You might notice many folks espousing the views of one Ayn Rand, for example. Beyond that, and returning to the actual subject at hand, there is very little "deconstruction" -- to the extent that is a thing, in the show. Perhaps in the early days. It has long since devolved in to a Trump apologist show, regurgitating Fox News and Breitbart talking points. You need only look to see where else Curry has appeared.
  - core-questions 6y ago
    > who said anything about fascism The alt-right is basically fascism, no? I don't mean in the normal online accusatory fashion, I mean in the "literally fans of Mussolini" fashion. Or maybe we mean two different groups of people? I'm thinking of the folks involved with Charlottesville, etc. as opposed to the "alt lite" which is Ben Shapiro / Sargon / Cernovich and their ilk, who are distinct in the sense that they ostensibly disavow racism etc. and are more classical liberalists. > , there is very little "deconstruction" -- to the extent that is a thing, in the show That's a matter of opinion, I guess? I agree it has devolved since 2016, but there's still the occasional gem in there.
dguaraglia 6y ago
Don't believe their narrative. Go back to any episode in the 2009/2016 range and you'll notice a significant difference on the amount of time they spent discussing politics and criticizing the government vs. just 'deconstructing' the media. Weirdly - for a media deconstruction podcast - they rarely had any criticism of right-wing media, they even came to an agreement at some point about explicitly ignoring right-wing media. The 'purely media deconstruction' script was adopted when a Republican they liked became president. Suddenly the show became exclusively about criticizing the media's coverage of the Trump administration and all criticism of government was dropped or became about 'optics'. Someone with a cynical streak would conclude that they always had an agenda.
- nailer 6y ago
  Sure but the thread is about whether this person is alt right, not whether they are conservative.