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> Once you get foreign names, this becomes weird even with European names Wait until you think about multi-heritage names. My son is Spanish AND Ukrainian. Uk

> Once you get foreign names, this becomes weird even with European names Wait until you think about multi-heritage names. My son is Spanish AND Ukrainian. Ukrainian naming customs are like Russian, then in Spanish you have two last names. This breaks down as follows: in Spanish the second last name is that of the mom, but in slavic naming customs it changes according to the gender. So in Spain he won't have the last name of the mother, and in Ukraine his last name doesn't match mine. So he's finally name+last name+second last name for Spain, name + ugly patronymic + long ass, unique in the world last name for Ukraine. And in both cases, the name is invariably pronounced wrong, as Spanish doesn't have the Ukrainian и sound, and Ukrainian doesn't have the Spanish z sound. Even for us the parents it doesn't come naturally to pronounce it, so it's not like we can get offended by that.

Muromec 6y ago
>So he's finally name+last name+second last name for Spain, name + ugly patronymic + long ass, unique in the world last name for Ukraine. Oh, dealing with authorities should be fun. Last time I had been there reissuing passport for my son, ДМС officials suddenly realized, that his patronymic is somehow present in a demographic registry without being present in any primary records (birth cert, translations, applications etc). Then they spent solid 30 minutes trying to find nonexistent number of said birth certificate.
- Uberphallus 6y ago
  Yeah, on top he was born in France, and the consular services of either country basically say, "he'll have the name French authorities let you write"; plus patronymic, if wanted, in case of Ukraine. Luckily we had a public servant that was familiar with naming conventions of both countries and his name is the one his mom and I agreed respected both naming conventions the most.
dmitriid 6y ago
There are also cases of transliterating names. Belarus insists on their internal schemes, so Евгений becomes Yauheni (to match Belorussian version of the name, Яўген) when it should become at least Eugene.
- Muromec 6y ago
  The old trick of having your name mentioned in any public document issued in other country in whatever spelling you want doesn't apply in Belarus? Had to do that, because my name looks more like a barcode when transliterated from original Ukrainian spelling.
  - dmitriid 6y ago
    AFAIK Belarus is very rule-oriented when it comes to transliterating names. I heard it's become better in the last few years, but there are definitely plenty of Yauhenis :D It also often boils down to the specific clerk in charge. I personally am a Russian-speaker from Moldova, and I had four more classmates with the name Дмитрий. When we were getting our first passports, I said that I want "Dmitrii" as the name/transliteration. The woman at the counter just asked "Are you sure?", shrugged and accepted my application. All my friends suggested their own spellings at their respective passport offices, all got rejected because "the proper spelling of the name in Moldova is Dumitru" (which is the Romanian version of the name).

Muromec 6y ago

>So he's finally name+last name+second last name for Spain, name + ugly patronymic + long ass, unique in the world last name for Ukraine. Oh, dealing with authorities should be fun. Last time I had been there reissuing passport for my son, ДМС officials suddenly realized, that his patronymic is somehow present in a demographic registry without being present in any primary records (birth cert, translations, applications etc). Then they spent solid 30 minutes trying to find nonexistent number of said birth certificate.

Uberphallus 6y ago
Yeah, on top he was born in France, and the consular services of either country basically say, "he'll have the name French authorities let you write"; plus patronymic, if wanted, in case of Ukraine. Luckily we had a public servant that was familiar with naming conventions of both countries and his name is the one his mom and I agreed respected both naming conventions the most.

dmitriid 6y ago

There are also cases of transliterating names. Belarus insists on their internal schemes, so Евгений becomes Yauheni (to match Belorussian version of the name, Яўген) when it should become at least Eugene.

Muromec 6y ago
The old trick of having your name mentioned in any public document issued in other country in whatever spelling you want doesn't apply in Belarus? Had to do that, because my name looks more like a barcode when transliterated from original Ukrainian spelling.
- dmitriid 6y ago
  AFAIK Belarus is very rule-oriented when it comes to transliterating names. I heard it's become better in the last few years, but there are definitely plenty of Yauhenis :D It also often boils down to the specific clerk in charge. I personally am a Russian-speaker from Moldova, and I had four more classmates with the name Дмитрий. When we were getting our first passports, I said that I want "Dmitrii" as the name/transliteration. The woman at the counter just asked "Are you sure?", shrugged and accepted my application. All my friends suggested their own spellings at their respective passport offices, all got rejected because "the proper spelling of the name in Moldova is Dumitru" (which is the Romanian version of the name).