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He went full alt right. This is likely owing to the deletion of podcasts with hate speech. Just FYI.
by leahey 6y ago
He went full alt right. This is likely owing to the deletion of podcasts with hate speech. Just FYI.
- throwaway815190 6y agoGood. Everyone deserves a voice. Free speech and all that.
- mikece 6y agoThat’s the great thing about free speech: hate is overcome with more free speech.
- leahey 6y agoI agree. Governments should not impinge on speech.
- brnt 6y agoUnless it isn't, see various oppressive governments. Nazi-germany showed how to hack free speech into oppression through censorship, book-burning. Russia showed and continues to show how to use techniques like generating multiple low-effort angles to balkanize readership and lionize their time, thus sowing confusion and discord. China. Free speech won't and doesn't survive contact with the human race without an effective defence, and history shows merely counting on people to use more free speech leaves free speech and democracy open to coordinated brute force attacks.
- nailer 6y agoBook burning is the opposite of free speech. So is the great firewall of China. Russia chills speech with assassinations. Nearly all your examples are proving the opposite of your point.
- brnt 6y agoMy examples are not your examples, and your statements at best holds true for yours only. The point is that merely thinking saying free speech should be free is not enough. As you well illustrate, the debate on what exactly free speech is means we need to define what falls outside of it very clearly.
- exolymph 6y agoThe Nazis themselves were censored before seizing power, and some say it helped radicalize them. Maybe censorship doesn't work all that well at its ostensible purpose?
- ianleeclark 6y ago> The Nazis themselves were censored before seizing power, and some say it helped radicalize them. This is ahistorical. The only "censorship," they faced before they were granted power were in response to an attempted coup. They were radicalized prior to any censorship. There's just something that doesn't sit right with me about indicating that censorship lead to a radicalization of Nazis. Violent anti-Semitism has eternally been a problem in Europe and both Austrian and German nationalist parties were entrenched in such conspiracy. It was always a violent movement.
- brnt 6y agoThey used intimidation and book burnings to restrict freedom of expression long before they had any formal power. Look up the Sturm Abteilung.
- ianleeclark 6y agoRead my post again. I'm not saying the Nazis didn't censor.
- brnt 6y agoWhoops, sorry!
- modmans2nd 6y agoQanon and the explosion of all the other conspiracies and hate groups who use the internet to amplify and spread their message is proof that the solution to bad speech is no longer “More speech”. It’s been shown that fake information travels farther and faster than accurate information. https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/false-news-travels-6-times-faster-on-twitter-than-truthful-news https://www.pbs.org/newshour/science/false-news-travels-6-ti...
- krapp 6y agoYeah. My grandfather used to tell me stories about his time speechifying the Nazis in Europe. Thank goodness Hitler was receptive to logical, well-sourced arguments.
- cies 6y agoFamiliar with the Paradox of Tolerance? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paradox_of_tolerance I totally against allowing hate speech to be tolerated for this matter. Hitler was able to grow his power (and promoted hatred) while speech was still free. Once he had enough power, he reduced the freedom of speech. This is a counter example of how the paradox is real and hate is not necessarily overcome with more freedom.
- Cuuugi 6y agoAlternative non-hyperbolic view, he doesn't want to cede control of his invention to a single company? Fighting Apples dominance in podcasting control has to be sympathetic to marxists like you?
- filmgirlcw 6y agoExcept it isn’t his invention. I don’t want to rehash 2003 all over again, but it was a collaborative effort that included ideas from Curry, spec work from Dave Winer, and an iTunes pass-through script for downloading to an iPods from Kevin Marks.
- Cuuugi 6y agoOf course, i use "invention" fairly loosely there, but he was absolutely involved, and i would say it's more his invention than not. They call him the podfather for a reason. My overarching point remains the same.
- hairofadog 6y agoThanks for that non-hyperbolic view.
- core-questions 6y agoThe thing is, Apple and Spotify et al. have shown themselves to be willing to censor content in favour of Marxist views; so why would a Marxist fight them? Isn't it part of the playbook to use the existing means of production to harm itself?
- sdn20ns 6y agoWhat a baseless accusation. Did you even bother listening to the podcast linked in the article or consider that a centralized directory hosted by a major company might be cause for concern? Last I checked he does a current podcast with an ADOS member discussing everything from reparations to current events... Throwing this sort of stuff out there is irresponsible.
- leahey 6y agoYou not liking it != baseless. Similarly, hosting a podcast with a black person doesn’t, a priori, preclude you being alt right.
- sdn20ns 6y agoAnd similarly, throwing out the term “went full alt-right” without providing any references at all does not make something true/a responsible statement. I can see already that this is going to be a fruitless conversation based on feelings rather than evidence.
- leahey 6y ago>I can see already that this is going to be a fruitless conversation based on feelings rather than evidence. Knowing yourself is the first step. Thanks for the heads up.
- AndrewUnmuted 6y agoI am sure I'm not the only one who would actually appreciate some insight into where this accusation comes from. Not very familiar with the guy but have heard him on other podcasts before, and did not expect there to be such widespread distaste for him here. Can you help sort me & others out?
- mistermann 6y agoWhich of the many definitions of alt-right are you using?
- octopoc 6y agoDo you have a link for that? I've been listening to his Napoleon podcast and he seems left-leaning to me. They do talk about politics from time to time.
- leahey 6y agoGrab a No Agenda episode at random and give it a spin.
- oagboghi2 6y agoThat isn't proof of anything. Name an episode, give a time stamp, or stop the bullshit.
- mikece 6y agoNo Agenda is primarily media deconstruction. If you believe the media are telling you the truth, the full truth, and nothing but the truth then you'll hate the podcast.
- leahey 6y agoNote to others: this is just the line they reiterate on the show itself.
- mistermann 6y agoIt is that, but not just that - it is also true (to some degree). Or, are you under the impression that the media is truly independent and always tells the full truth in an unbiased manner, that no alternative media organization has ever legitimately exposed even a single mainstream narrative that was less than truthful?
- leahey 6y agoYeah I reckon you can't call one podcast an alt right conspiracy spew without believing "the media is truly independent and always tells the full truth in an unbiased manner, that no alternative media organization has ever legitimately exposed even a single mainstream narrative that was less than truthful."
- markkanof 6y agoWhat in your opinion does alt-right mean? I’d have a real hard time trying to apply my understanding of that term to Adam Curry.
- ciarannolan 6y agoHe said "black" instead of "African American" during a radio interview in 1983.
- nailer 6y ago> He went full alt right. Alt right is a term coined by Richard Spencer, who advocates for a white ethno state. Can you please post a link of Adam Curry advocating for this or holding similar positions? EDIT: I am aware HN etiquette is not to complain about downvotes, but it does seem very old that asking for evidence of a very serious accusation is downvoted. For those unfamiliar with the term - Wikipedia (which is generally considered left wing) states: > Groups which have been identified as alt-right also espouse white nationalism, white supremacism, white separatism, right-wing populism, tight immigration restrictions, racism, anti-communism, anti-Zionism, holocaust denial, xenophobia, antisemitism, antifeminism, homophobia, and islamophobia. If you have evidence of Curry holding the more extreme positions in that list (ie, excluding anti communism etc) that would be relevant too.