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This can also be useful in some cases right? - What if some external accessory or change was made without the owner's knowledge?. As cars become more software

by pratio 6y ago

This can also be useful in some cases right? - What if some external accessory or change was made without the owner's knowledge?. As cars become more software dependent, steps like these might become necessary. - Manufacturers obviously want to take their hands-off during warranty claims if the car has been tuned or modified. - The owner in the issue mentioned above hasn't had any issues while driving except a notification that wouldn't go away. As long as i can modify my car and drive it without a hassle, i would like my car to tell me what changes have been made to it.

wittyreference 6y ago
> - Manufacturers obviously want to take their hands-off during warranty claims if the car has been tuned or modified. And to some extent, rightly so. The mod in the featured article has a mode that disables traction control. I would not want to be responsible for the outcomes if that has bugs in it.
m463 6y ago
> - What if some external accessory or change was made without the owner's knowledge?. As cars become more software dependent, steps like these might become necessary. Yes, someone could tamper with your car, which would be bad. But honestly Tesla is the one who changes things without the owner's knowledge. Updates - when they give any description at all - describe bug fixes and upgrades. However look at the tesla forums and you'll find that tesla software updates are just as likely to downgrade your car. I can recall updates lowering the range, reducing regen, lowering performance and very very frequently breaking things that work fine. And lots of people were perfectly happy with older versions of the software and have declined updates -- only to have them forced on the car. That seems to be a good way to make an enemy.
CarelessExpert 6y ago
> This can also be useful in some cases right? These are basically the same arguments that are used to justify Apple's walled garden and refusal to support side-loading, and all the same objections apply. All we need to do is look at how John Deere is screwing over farmers to see why a walled garden approach to products is extremely dangerous for consumer rights. I just wish the government would step in and regulate away this behaviour, as it's clearly a market failure. I can't say I'm getting my hopes up...
heavyset_go 6y ago
> What if some external accessory or change was made without the owner's knowledge?. As cars become more software dependent, steps like these might become necessary. Should whoever built your house be notified if you modify it after buying it? After all, those changes could have been made without the owner's knowledge.
- estebank 6y ago
  Although I agree with the sentiment, when changing a house after buying it you might have to notify your local government or even ask for permission, depending on what you're changing and where you are.
  - heavyset_go 6y ago
    The motor vehicle inspection agency isn't the one who is notified when a Tesla car is modified, Tesla is.
- judge2020 6y ago
  If Apple made houses that had an amazing whole-home smart speaker system, washed dishes for you, shuttled laundry to your washer, etc, but you couldn't modify that system or run non-Apple apps on it, I see many people rushing to get one for the same reasons they stay with the iPhone (which you can find a list of in the comments sections of [0]). 0: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateEnd=1599508800&dateRange=custom&dateStart=1597262400&page=0&prefix=false&query=apple%20app%20store&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateEnd=1599508800&dateRange=custom&...

by pratio 6y ago

wittyreference 6y ago

> - Manufacturers obviously want to take their hands-off during warranty claims if the car has been tuned or modified. And to some extent, rightly so. The mod in the featured article has a mode that disables traction control. I would not want to be responsible for the outcomes if that has bugs in it.

m463 6y ago

> - What if some external accessory or change was made without the owner's knowledge?. As cars become more software dependent, steps like these might become necessary. Yes, someone could tamper with your car, which would be bad. But honestly Tesla is the one who changes things without the owner's knowledge. Updates - when they give any description at all - describe bug fixes and upgrades. However look at the tesla forums and you'll find that tesla software updates are just as likely to downgrade your car. I can recall updates lowering the range, reducing regen, lowering performance and very very frequently breaking things that work fine. And lots of people were perfectly happy with older versions of the software and have declined updates -- only to have them forced on the car. That seems to be a good way to make an enemy.

CarelessExpert 6y ago

> This can also be useful in some cases right? These are basically the same arguments that are used to justify Apple's walled garden and refusal to support side-loading, and all the same objections apply. All we need to do is look at how John Deere is screwing over farmers to see why a walled garden approach to products is extremely dangerous for consumer rights. I just wish the government would step in and regulate away this behaviour, as it's clearly a market failure. I can't say I'm getting my hopes up...

heavyset_go 6y ago

> What if some external accessory or change was made without the owner's knowledge?. As cars become more software dependent, steps like these might become necessary. Should whoever built your house be notified if you modify it after buying it? After all, those changes could have been made without the owner's knowledge.

estebank 6y ago
Although I agree with the sentiment, when changing a house after buying it you might have to notify your local government or even ask for permission, depending on what you're changing and where you are.
- heavyset_go 6y ago
  The motor vehicle inspection agency isn't the one who is notified when a Tesla car is modified, Tesla is.
judge2020 6y ago
If Apple made houses that had an amazing whole-home smart speaker system, washed dishes for you, shuttled laundry to your washer, etc, but you couldn't modify that system or run non-Apple apps on it, I see many people rushing to get one for the same reasons they stay with the iPhone (which you can find a list of in the comments sections of [0]). 0: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateEnd=1599508800&dateRange=custom&dateStart=1597262400&page=0&prefix=false&query=apple%20app%20store&sort=byPopularity&type=story https://hn.algolia.com/?dateEnd=1599508800&dateRange=custom&...