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Oh, I had not heard anything about this coverage of the Alex Salmond case. Thanks very much for bringing this to my attention, I live in Scotland and the whole

Oh, I had not heard anything about this coverage of the Alex Salmond case. Thanks very much for bringing this to my attention, I live in Scotland and the whole thing has been very odd.

gadders 6y ago
Yes, if Craig is to be believed it looks like there is a big slice of SNP in-fighting involved.
- M2Ys4U 6y ago
  Murray is not the most... reliable person ever, though. He certainly engages in some odd conspiracy theories (see, for example, his stance that Russia was not responsible for using Novichok in Salisbury in 2018)
  - hutzlibu 6y ago
    "see, for example, his stance that Russia was not responsible for using Novichok in Salisbury in 2018" I don't know anyhing about Murray, but tell me again, what was the evidence again, that the russian government was behind it? And for what reason? And why with a substance they are famous for? And not just a bullet/car accident? Why use a very deadly secret toxin? (which happened to not be so deadly apparently) (And a substance btw. where the formula got out and is in posession for examlple of western agencies)
    - myvoiceismypass 6y ago
      Not so deadly? Yes Skripel and his daughter survived, but the people who found the bottle were not so lucky. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/24/novichok-victim-ill-within-15-minutes-says-partner-charlie-rowley https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/24/novichok-vic...
      - hutzlibu 6y ago
        Not so deadly compared to how deadly it is supposed to be. Wikipedia "The median lethal dose for inhaled A-234 has been estimated as 7 mg/m3 for two minute exposure (minute volume of 15 l, slight activity).[67] The median lethal dose for inhaled A-230, likely the most toxic liquid Novichok, has been estimated as between 1.9 and 3 mg/m3 for two minute exposure. " That is a very low dose to kill and should have had much more casualties, than a drug addict spraying around lots of it. But yes, maybe a different formula was used and maybe it was on Putins order who cares maybe more for inner strength and scaring dissidents, than international PR. I don't know. I just know that I do not trust british intelligence sources either. The most plausible explenation I heard so far is, that it was carried out by the russian oligarchie on a different motivation. Tied to the criminal underground. But it is all a fog of desinformation.
      - gadders 6y ago
        The poor lady that died and found the bottle was not in the best of health. It was reported that she was a long term alcoholic.
    - pessimizer 6y ago
      The Russian government is determined to not quite assassinate people with a toxin that is uniquely associated with them. They do this to defend against "the opposition", which gets stronger and injected with more foreign state support every time this happens. It's difficult to understand the minds of dictators.
    - spaced-out 6y ago
      >And for what reason? And why with a substance they are famous for? And not just a bullet/car accident? Because they want to send a message, while also maintaining plausible deniability on the international stage.
    - Paradigma11 6y ago
      Well, this seems rather convincing to me. I do not think that you could much better evidence aside from catching somebody in flagrante. The interview is especially great. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/23/skripal-salisbury-poisoning-decline-of-russia-spy-agencies-gru https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/23/skripal-salisb...
  - gadders 6y ago
    Yes, I don't know how reliable I find his theories, but they are interesting. I can't see who else would have done the poisonings if not Russia (and he is surprisingly pro-Russia) but he does raise other interesting questions, such as how the Head Nurse of the British Army seemed to be just in the right place to administer aid to the first two victims: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/03/pure-ten-points-i-just-cant-believe-about-the-official-skripal-narrative/ https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/03/pure-ten-poi... His coverage of when "diplomat" Ann Sacoolas ran over and killed Harry Dunn has been interesting as well (I put diplomat in parentheses because he makes a case that she is not entitled to diplomatic immunity) https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/?s=sacoolas https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/?s=sacoolas Like I say, I read his stuff and I can't believe he ever became a UK ambassador, and I'm not with him politically but there is always a place for people poking their noses into the actions of states.
- tilthis 6y ago
  I will have to read more into this. I don't know if it is as Craig tells it, but it certainly seems to stink to high heaven. Having a quick browse of his site I am seeing a few other items that I had not heard about elsewhere, like this guy jailed for 72 days for not changing the start time of a peaceful demonstration :( https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/08/manni-singh-jailed-for-organising-peaceful-independence-demonstration/ https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/08/manni-singh-... Craig may be a crackpot but I am now aware of several facts that I had not seen reported elsewhere - I can ignore his analysis as I see fit. EDIT: to be clear he doesn't really seem like that much of crackpot to me, I have never met anyone what doesn't hold some odd beliefs and from what i have seen so far he is asking reasonable questions.

Oh, I had not heard anything about this coverage of the Alex Salmond case. Thanks very much for bringing this to my attention, I live in Scotland and the whole thing has been very odd.

gadders 6y ago

Yes, if Craig is to be believed it looks like there is a big slice of SNP in-fighting involved.

M2Ys4U 6y ago
Murray is not the most... reliable person ever, though. He certainly engages in some odd conspiracy theories (see, for example, his stance that Russia was not responsible for using Novichok in Salisbury in 2018)
- hutzlibu 6y ago
  "see, for example, his stance that Russia was not responsible for using Novichok in Salisbury in 2018" I don't know anyhing about Murray, but tell me again, what was the evidence again, that the russian government was behind it? And for what reason? And why with a substance they are famous for? And not just a bullet/car accident? Why use a very deadly secret toxin? (which happened to not be so deadly apparently) (And a substance btw. where the formula got out and is in posession for examlple of western agencies)
  - myvoiceismypass 6y ago
    Not so deadly? Yes Skripel and his daughter survived, but the people who found the bottle were not so lucky. https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/24/novichok-victim-ill-within-15-minutes-says-partner-charlie-rowley https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2018/jul/24/novichok-vic...
    - hutzlibu 6y ago
      Not so deadly compared to how deadly it is supposed to be. Wikipedia "The median lethal dose for inhaled A-234 has been estimated as 7 mg/m3 for two minute exposure (minute volume of 15 l, slight activity).[67] The median lethal dose for inhaled A-230, likely the most toxic liquid Novichok, has been estimated as between 1.9 and 3 mg/m3 for two minute exposure. " That is a very low dose to kill and should have had much more casualties, than a drug addict spraying around lots of it. But yes, maybe a different formula was used and maybe it was on Putins order who cares maybe more for inner strength and scaring dissidents, than international PR. I don't know. I just know that I do not trust british intelligence sources either. The most plausible explenation I heard so far is, that it was carried out by the russian oligarchie on a different motivation. Tied to the criminal underground. But it is all a fog of desinformation.
    - gadders 6y ago
      The poor lady that died and found the bottle was not in the best of health. It was reported that she was a long term alcoholic.
  - pessimizer 6y ago
    The Russian government is determined to not quite assassinate people with a toxin that is uniquely associated with them. They do this to defend against "the opposition", which gets stronger and injected with more foreign state support every time this happens. It's difficult to understand the minds of dictators.
  - spaced-out 6y ago
    >And for what reason? And why with a substance they are famous for? And not just a bullet/car accident? Because they want to send a message, while also maintaining plausible deniability on the international stage.
  - Paradigma11 6y ago
    Well, this seems rather convincing to me. I do not think that you could much better evidence aside from catching somebody in flagrante. The interview is especially great. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/23/skripal-salisbury-poisoning-decline-of-russia-spy-agencies-gru https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jun/23/skripal-salisb...
- gadders 6y ago
  Yes, I don't know how reliable I find his theories, but they are interesting. I can't see who else would have done the poisonings if not Russia (and he is surprisingly pro-Russia) but he does raise other interesting questions, such as how the Head Nurse of the British Army seemed to be just in the right place to administer aid to the first two victims: https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/03/pure-ten-points-i-just-cant-believe-about-the-official-skripal-narrative/ https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2019/03/pure-ten-poi... His coverage of when "diplomat" Ann Sacoolas ran over and killed Harry Dunn has been interesting as well (I put diplomat in parentheses because he makes a case that she is not entitled to diplomatic immunity) https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/?s=sacoolas https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/?s=sacoolas Like I say, I read his stuff and I can't believe he ever became a UK ambassador, and I'm not with him politically but there is always a place for people poking their noses into the actions of states.
tilthis 6y ago
I will have to read more into this. I don't know if it is as Craig tells it, but it certainly seems to stink to high heaven. Having a quick browse of his site I am seeing a few other items that I had not heard about elsewhere, like this guy jailed for 72 days for not changing the start time of a peaceful demonstration :( https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/08/manni-singh-jailed-for-organising-peaceful-independence-demonstration/ https://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2020/08/manni-singh-... Craig may be a crackpot but I am now aware of several facts that I had not seen reported elsewhere - I can ignore his analysis as I see fit. EDIT: to be clear he doesn't really seem like that much of crackpot to me, I have never met anyone what doesn't hold some odd beliefs and from what i have seen so far he is asking reasonable questions.