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Google shouldn't be the center of the Web. They could also easily determine where the archive link is pointing to and not penalize. But I guess making sure we a

Google shouldn't be the center of the Web. They could also easily determine where the archive link is pointing to and not penalize. But I guess making sure we align with Google's incentives is more important than just using the Web.

bartread 6y ago
> Google shouldn't be the center of the Web. I agree, but are you suggesting it's going to be better if WayBackMachine is?
- encom 6y ago
  Yes. At least Archive.org isn't an evil mega corporation destroying the internet. Yet.
  - rriepe 6y ago
    We'll see what their new owners do after the lawsuit.
- ethanwillis 6y ago
  That's a strawman because I never said they should be. There's room for better alternatives. We as a community need to think bigger rather than resigning ourselves to our fate.
  - bartread 6y ago
    It's not a strawman because (a) I agreed with you, (b) context, and (c) I asked a question based on what you seemed to be implying in that context: a question to which you still haven't provided an answer. Let me put it another way: what specifically are you suggesting as an alternative?
    - ethanwillis 6y ago
      If I had to pick a solution from what's available right now technology wise I'd pick something that links based on content hashes. And then pulls the content from decentralized hosting. I don't think I like IPFS as an organization, but tech wise it's probably what I'd go with.
luckylion 6y ago
> But I guess making sure we align with Google's incentives is more important than just using the Web. It's not about Google's incentives. It's about directing the traffic where it should go. Google is just the means to do so. Build an alternative, I'm sure nobody wants Google to be the number one way of finding content, it's just that they are, so pretending they're not and doing something that will hurt your ability to have your content found isn't productive.
rchaud 6y ago
Every search engine uses the number of backlinks as one of the key factors in influencing search rank; it's a fundamental KPI when it comes to understanding whether a link is credible. What is true for Google in this regard is also true of Bing, DDG and Yandex.

bartread 6y ago

> Google shouldn't be the center of the Web. I agree, but are you suggesting it's going to be better if WayBackMachine is?

encom 6y ago
Yes. At least Archive.org isn't an evil mega corporation destroying the internet. Yet.
- rriepe 6y ago
  We'll see what their new owners do after the lawsuit.
ethanwillis 6y ago
That's a strawman because I never said they should be. There's room for better alternatives. We as a community need to think bigger rather than resigning ourselves to our fate.
- bartread 6y ago
  It's not a strawman because (a) I agreed with you, (b) context, and (c) I asked a question based on what you seemed to be implying in that context: a question to which you still haven't provided an answer. Let me put it another way: what specifically are you suggesting as an alternative?
  - ethanwillis 6y ago
    If I had to pick a solution from what's available right now technology wise I'd pick something that links based on content hashes. And then pulls the content from decentralized hosting. I don't think I like IPFS as an organization, but tech wise it's probably what I'd go with.

luckylion 6y ago

> But I guess making sure we align with Google's incentives is more important than just using the Web. It's not about Google's incentives. It's about directing the traffic where it should go. Google is just the means to do so. Build an alternative, I'm sure nobody wants Google to be the number one way of finding content, it's just that they are, so pretending they're not and doing something that will hurt your ability to have your content found isn't productive.

rchaud 6y ago

Every search engine uses the number of backlinks as one of the key factors in influencing search rank; it's a fundamental KPI when it comes to understanding whether a link is credible. What is true for Google in this regard is also true of Bing, DDG and Yandex.