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Good idea, by why not both (i.e. link to a webpage, and to the Archive)? Linking to Archive only makes Archive a single point of failure.

thunderrabbit 6y ago
Agreed. I usually link to both the original and then archive.org in parentheses.
sseneca 6y ago
Yes, this makes the most sense in my opinion: Check out [this link](https://... https://...) ([archived](https://...) https://...)) This can also help in the event of a "hug of death"
- roberto 6y ago
 This is what I do on my blog, with some additional metadata: <a data-archive-date="2020-09-01T22:11:02.287871+00:00" data-archive-url="https://web.archive.org/web/20200901221101/https://reubenwu.com/projects/25/aeroglyphs" href="https://reubenwu.com/projects/25/aeroglyphs" > Aeroglyphs </a> [<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200901221101/https://reubenwu.com/projects/25/aeroglyphs">archived</a>] is an ongoing series of photos of nature with superimposed geometrical shapes drawn by drones.
dredmorbius 6y ago
The WBM link includes the canonical source clearly within the URL.
- romwell 6y ago
  Yeah, and the non-technical users will surely understand that what they need to do when the link doesn't work is: 1. Recognize that it's an Archive.org URL 2. Understand that the link references an archived page whose URL is "clearly" referenced as a parameter 3. Edit the URL (especially pleasant on a cell phone) correctly and try loading that If you expect the user to be able to go through all this trouble if the Archive is down, you can also expect them to look up the page on the Archive if the link does not load. But better yet, one shouldn't expect either.
iib 6y ago
By the way the archive works, isn't the link just adding the https://web.archive.org/web/*/ https://web.archive.org/web/*/ before the actual link? I guess linking to both is especially important for people not knowing about the existence of archive.org, and a small convenience for everyone. But the link seems to be reversible in either direction.
hinkley 6y ago
I wonder if the anchor tag should be altered to support this? Alternatively, this is a good thing for a user agent to handles natively, or through a plugin.

thunderrabbit 6y ago

Agreed. I usually link to both the original and then archive.org in parentheses.

sseneca 6y ago

Yes, this makes the most sense in my opinion: Check out [this link](https://... https://...) ([archived](https://...) https://...)) This can also help in the event of a "hug of death"

roberto 6y ago
This is what I do on my blog, with some additional metadata: <a data-archive-date="2020-09-01T22:11:02.287871+00:00" data-archive-url="https://web.archive.org/web/20200901221101/https://reubenwu.com/projects/25/aeroglyphs" href="https://reubenwu.com/projects/25/aeroglyphs" > Aeroglyphs </a> [<a href="https://web.archive.org/web/20200901221101/https://reubenwu.com/projects/25/aeroglyphs">archived</a>] is an ongoing series of photos of nature with superimposed geometrical shapes drawn by drones.

dredmorbius 6y ago

The WBM link includes the canonical source clearly within the URL.

romwell 6y ago
Yeah, and the non-technical users will surely understand that what they need to do when the link doesn't work is: 1. Recognize that it's an Archive.org URL 2. Understand that the link references an archived page whose URL is "clearly" referenced as a parameter 3. Edit the URL (especially pleasant on a cell phone) correctly and try loading that If you expect the user to be able to go through all this trouble if the Archive is down, you can also expect them to look up the page on the Archive if the link does not load. But better yet, one shouldn't expect either.

iib 6y ago

By the way the archive works, isn't the link just adding the https://web.archive.org/web/*/ https://web.archive.org/web/*/ before the actual link? I guess linking to both is especially important for people not knowing about the existence of archive.org, and a small convenience for everyone. But the link seems to be reversible in either direction.

hinkley 6y ago

I wonder if the anchor tag should be altered to support this? Alternatively, this is a good thing for a user agent to handles natively, or through a plugin.