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Students are "like that", because they feel powerless and complicit by slaving away in a virtually for-profit education system, that they see as part of the pro

by pas 6y ago

Students are "like that", because they feel powerless and complicit by slaving away in a virtually for-profit education system, that they see as part of the problem. They understandably want change, progress, solidarity, etc. Basically think of this as the very very very watered down version of a student protest. After all young adults are the prime age cohort who are sensitive to social issues. This requires no organized subversion.

nix23 6y ago
But then the Horse kicks into the wrong direction.
0-_-0 6y ago
So why does this happen mostly in the US?
- pas 6y ago
  It might happen elsewhere too, but we just don't know about those instances. The 24-hour constant breaking news cycle is perfected in the US, and some of that bubbles up to HN, whereas similar events from other countries doesn't even make much "news", much less make it out of that country. Plus it might simply be that because US public discourse has become more polarized than that of other countries. Also USC administration is full of shit anyway, they fired the previous dean of that school and tried to buy his silence: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-ellis-usc-marshall-business-school-20190630-story.html https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-ellis-usc-marsha...
koheripbal 6y ago
It seems odd that students feel enslaved by the for-profit schools, and yet attack everyone BUT the school itself.
- pas 6y ago
  They attack those who they think represent the school. The dude they see in the classroom. "Little do they know" the decisions are made by administrators. (Only strictly research/science decisions are still handled by profs, but they also don't really do much other than churn out grant proposals and papers.) And this was seen in the debates (shouting matches?) that faculty members had with students elsewhere. (I'm thinking about a video about some safe space protest.) It was not some nameless administrator trying to persuade (and educate) the emotional students, but someone that actually cares about education yet the decision about not hosting a lecture by some controversial figure is usually made by the administration, to play it safe. (While the initial decision to host some event is usually made by some club/group, approved by the administration. And that approval just gets withdrawn.) Of course looking at this with a very reductionist first principles eye it makes sense. Students don't want to learn from someone they don't consider at least a bit an authority figure. So they then voice their grievances to them too. And if the educator cannot do anything about those problems, then he/she was just a fake authority figure all along. (And then just a bit of cognitive dissonance helpfully informs them that from this it logically follows that whatever said educator had said is wrong/useless. And so young folks go ideology shopping, and that's why suddenly there are post-cultural Marxo-modernists everywhere.)

by pas 6y ago

nix23 6y ago

But then the Horse kicks into the wrong direction.

0-_-0 6y ago

So why does this happen mostly in the US?

pas 6y ago
It might happen elsewhere too, but we just don't know about those instances. The 24-hour constant breaking news cycle is perfected in the US, and some of that bubbles up to HN, whereas similar events from other countries doesn't even make much "news", much less make it out of that country. Plus it might simply be that because US public discourse has become more polarized than that of other countries. Also USC administration is full of shit anyway, they fired the previous dean of that school and tried to buy his silence: https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-ellis-usc-marshall-business-school-20190630-story.html https://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-ellis-usc-marsha...

koheripbal 6y ago

It seems odd that students feel enslaved by the for-profit schools, and yet attack everyone BUT the school itself.

pas 6y ago
They attack those who they think represent the school. The dude they see in the classroom. "Little do they know" the decisions are made by administrators. (Only strictly research/science decisions are still handled by profs, but they also don't really do much other than churn out grant proposals and papers.) And this was seen in the debates (shouting matches?) that faculty members had with students elsewhere. (I'm thinking about a video about some safe space protest.) It was not some nameless administrator trying to persuade (and educate) the emotional students, but someone that actually cares about education yet the decision about not hosting a lecture by some controversial figure is usually made by the administration, to play it safe. (While the initial decision to host some event is usually made by some club/group, approved by the administration. And that approval just gets withdrawn.) Of course looking at this with a very reductionist first principles eye it makes sense. Students don't want to learn from someone they don't consider at least a bit an authority figure. So they then voice their grievances to them too. And if the educator cannot do anything about those problems, then he/she was just a fake authority figure all along. (And then just a bit of cognitive dissonance helpfully informs them that from this it logically follows that whatever said educator had said is wrong/useless. And so young folks go ideology shopping, and that's why suddenly there are post-cultural Marxo-modernists everywhere.)