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This was a victory for the common sense right to make fun of things. A parody brand of soap called "ogay" simply is not harmful any more than a gentle parody of

This was a victory for the common sense right to make fun of things. A parody brand of soap called "ogay" simply is not harmful any more than a gentle parody of white people, America, southerners, Christians, etc as seen all over games like GTA5. Let people laugh at things. In the end it's far more socially healthy for everyone than constantly cranking up the hypersensitivity. Acceptance built of fear and power is not acceptance at all.

olliej 6y ago
Yes, because belittling minorities and other groups that have historically had their rights systematically violated, by the people now making jokes at their expense is 100% ok. It’s not hypersensitive for someone to say “stop making jokes out of our existence”, especially when those groups are still routinely murdered for the crime of existing. Jokes that punch down should be judged accordingly
- hoseja 6y ago
  How do you fairly determine the punching direction? Also, are you being sarcastic with these tired, stereotypical phrases?
  - mxmilkb 6y ago
    Are you trying to psychologically pin the reaction of others with that second sentence of substance-free rhetoric? I hope the initial question is naivety and not sealioning.
    - hoseja 6y ago
      Just an honest invocation of Poe's law, swear. edit: self-censored a small rant
  - olliej 6y ago
    You look at which group has more power. This is not hard. You can’t be fired for being straight, in multiple states you can be fired for being anything other than straight or cisgendered. People aren’t physically or verbally assaulted for being Christian, they are for being Muslim (in America, other countries the reverse can easily be true). There aren’t elected officials campaigning on a platform of banning Christians, or deporting illegal Europeans. A common refrain isn’t that Christians control Hollywood and banks. No president other than Obama was ever subjected to continuous claims that they weren’t born in America. These all show you who has power to set the baseline for what is and what is not ok. This isn’t a hard concept, unless you’re deliberately choosing to dismiss every group other than yourself.
    - jlawson 6y ago
      And yet, if you tweet the words 'it's okay to be $ethnic_group', the only value of $ethnic_group that gets your career ended is 'white'. And yet, if you tweet 'I support $candidate for president', the only value of $candidate that ends your career is 'Trump'. And yet, conservatives and Christians are openly and viciously discriminated against in tech and media. Which is why they are essentially nonexistent. Nonexistent! You can't find them! In the closet, like gays in 1975. Palmer Luckey got chased out of our tech industry because they found out he liked Trump, he didn't even argue publicly. Damore was ruined for a good-faith pro-diversity memo. And yet, men are 1:2 discriminated against compared to women in STEM tenure track positions [0]. And yet, BLM rioters can spend weeks burning and looting a city and the media and courts will soft-pedal them the whole way, but if a dozen white guys get together they're instantly called racist and subjected to maximum legal penalties. And yet, the 'common refrain' which you are repeating in your post is that white people, men, Christians, etc have all the power, control all the money and banks and media, etc etc. Your notion of who has 'power' is totally wrong. There aren't two groups here, there are three. The left has power. The right does not. The under-group are the marginal minorities who the left uses to justify their power and discrimination. [0] https://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360 https://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360
      - olliej 6y ago
        The problem with “white” is that “white pride”, “white power” were coopted by racist and terrorist groups decades ago. The other problem - much like all lives matter - is that no one has ever been told to be ashamed of being white, legislation hasn’t been written specifically to imprison white people, white people haven’t been systematically disenfranchised, etc. As for only getting fired if you say you support trump? Really? If that were the case he wouldn’t have a real chance of reelection, but he does because a sizable amount of the country supports him. I suspect being pro-Biden or pro-Obama would easily get you fired in many predominantly Republican states. Finally, the “left” has no more power than the “right”, the difference is that you clearly believe that equal rights for minorities is inherently discriminating against you. Which is a classic response.
- Chris2048 6y ago
  > “stop making jokes out of our existence” what defines your existence? > those groups are still routinely murdered for the crime of existing routinely? In America?
  - olliej 6y ago
    Yes, in America
    - Chris2048 6y ago
      What evidence is there? Are you including stuff like the Orlando shooting in that? https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/no-theres-no-evidence-murder-wave-targeting-gay-americans https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/no-theres-no-ev...

olliej 6y ago

Yes, because belittling minorities and other groups that have historically had their rights systematically violated, by the people now making jokes at their expense is 100% ok. It’s not hypersensitive for someone to say “stop making jokes out of our existence”, especially when those groups are still routinely murdered for the crime of existing. Jokes that punch down should be judged accordingly

hoseja 6y ago
How do you fairly determine the punching direction? Also, are you being sarcastic with these tired, stereotypical phrases?
- mxmilkb 6y ago
  Are you trying to psychologically pin the reaction of others with that second sentence of substance-free rhetoric? I hope the initial question is naivety and not sealioning.
  - hoseja 6y ago
    Just an honest invocation of Poe's law, swear. edit: self-censored a small rant
- olliej 6y ago
  You look at which group has more power. This is not hard. You can’t be fired for being straight, in multiple states you can be fired for being anything other than straight or cisgendered. People aren’t physically or verbally assaulted for being Christian, they are for being Muslim (in America, other countries the reverse can easily be true). There aren’t elected officials campaigning on a platform of banning Christians, or deporting illegal Europeans. A common refrain isn’t that Christians control Hollywood and banks. No president other than Obama was ever subjected to continuous claims that they weren’t born in America. These all show you who has power to set the baseline for what is and what is not ok. This isn’t a hard concept, unless you’re deliberately choosing to dismiss every group other than yourself.
  - jlawson 6y ago
    And yet, if you tweet the words 'it's okay to be $ethnic_group', the only value of $ethnic_group that gets your career ended is 'white'. And yet, if you tweet 'I support $candidate for president', the only value of $candidate that ends your career is 'Trump'. And yet, conservatives and Christians are openly and viciously discriminated against in tech and media. Which is why they are essentially nonexistent. Nonexistent! You can't find them! In the closet, like gays in 1975. Palmer Luckey got chased out of our tech industry because they found out he liked Trump, he didn't even argue publicly. Damore was ruined for a good-faith pro-diversity memo. And yet, men are 1:2 discriminated against compared to women in STEM tenure track positions [0]. And yet, BLM rioters can spend weeks burning and looting a city and the media and courts will soft-pedal them the whole way, but if a dozen white guys get together they're instantly called racist and subjected to maximum legal penalties. And yet, the 'common refrain' which you are repeating in your post is that white people, men, Christians, etc have all the power, control all the money and banks and media, etc etc. Your notion of who has 'power' is totally wrong. There aren't two groups here, there are three. The left has power. The right does not. The under-group are the marginal minorities who the left uses to justify their power and discrimination. [0] https://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360 https://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360
    - olliej 6y ago
      The problem with “white” is that “white pride”, “white power” were coopted by racist and terrorist groups decades ago. The other problem - much like all lives matter - is that no one has ever been told to be ashamed of being white, legislation hasn’t been written specifically to imprison white people, white people haven’t been systematically disenfranchised, etc. As for only getting fired if you say you support trump? Really? If that were the case he wouldn’t have a real chance of reelection, but he does because a sizable amount of the country supports him. I suspect being pro-Biden or pro-Obama would easily get you fired in many predominantly Republican states. Finally, the “left” has no more power than the “right”, the difference is that you clearly believe that equal rights for minorities is inherently discriminating against you. Which is a classic response.
Chris2048 6y ago
> “stop making jokes out of our existence” what defines your existence? > those groups are still routinely murdered for the crime of existing routinely? In America?
- olliej 6y ago
  Yes, in America
  - Chris2048 6y ago
    What evidence is there? Are you including stuff like the Orlando shooting in that? https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/no-theres-no-evidence-murder-wave-targeting-gay-americans https://www.cato.org/publications/commentary/no-theres-no-ev...