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It has been somewhat marred by yielding to review bombers regarding some trans- and homophobic content https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Fury#Controversy http

by ido 6y ago

It has been somewhat marred by yielding to review bombers regarding some trans- and homophobic content https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Fury#Controversy https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ion_Fury#Controversy

kristopolous 6y ago
It's unfortunate these people said/did that but can we please stop conflating the personal transgressions of employees as if it's reflective of the company as a whole? It's a few employees, probably early 20s, making some insensitive and off color remarks. That's it, nothing more
- asutekku 6y ago
  Having it in your product will affect the whole product.
  - jlawson 6y ago
    Reminds me of a quote from JK Simmons' character in the prison drama Oz. The other prisoner was asking if it was okay to have a black man's tissues used in a dental graft on his gums. "Define purity."
jlawson 6y ago
This was a victory for the common sense right to make fun of things. A parody brand of soap called "ogay" simply is not harmful any more than a gentle parody of white people, America, southerners, Christians, etc as seen all over games like GTA5. Let people laugh at things. In the end it's far more socially healthy for everyone than constantly cranking up the hypersensitivity. Acceptance built of fear and power is not acceptance at all.
- olliej 6y ago
  Yes, because belittling minorities and other groups that have historically had their rights systematically violated, by the people now making jokes at their expense is 100% ok. It’s not hypersensitive for someone to say “stop making jokes out of our existence”, especially when those groups are still routinely murdered for the crime of existing. Jokes that punch down should be judged accordingly
  - hoseja 6y ago
    How do you fairly determine the punching direction? Also, are you being sarcastic with these tired, stereotypical phrases?
    - mxmilkb 6y ago
      Are you trying to psychologically pin the reaction of others with that second sentence of substance-free rhetoric? I hope the initial question is naivety and not sealioning.
      - hoseja 6y ago
        Just an honest invocation of Poe's law, swear. edit: self-censored a small rant
    - olliej 6y ago
      You look at which group has more power. This is not hard. You can’t be fired for being straight, in multiple states you can be fired for being anything other than straight or cisgendered. People aren’t physically or verbally assaulted for being Christian, they are for being Muslim (in America, other countries the reverse can easily be true). There aren’t elected officials campaigning on a platform of banning Christians, or deporting illegal Europeans. A common refrain isn’t that Christians control Hollywood and banks. No president other than Obama was ever subjected to continuous claims that they weren’t born in America. These all show you who has power to set the baseline for what is and what is not ok. This isn’t a hard concept, unless you’re deliberately choosing to dismiss every group other than yourself.
      - jlawson 6y ago
        And yet, if you tweet the words 'it's okay to be $ethnic_group', the only value of $ethnic_group that gets your career ended is 'white'. And yet, if you tweet 'I support $candidate for president', the only value of $candidate that ends your career is 'Trump'. And yet, conservatives and Christians are openly and viciously discriminated against in tech and media. Which is why they are essentially nonexistent. Nonexistent! You can't find them! In the closet, like gays in 1975. Palmer Luckey got chased out of our tech industry because they found out he liked Trump, he didn't even argue publicly. Damore was ruined for a good-faith pro-diversity memo. And yet, men are 1:2 discriminated against compared to women in STEM tenure track positions [0]. And yet, BLM rioters can spend weeks burning and looting a city and the media and courts will soft-pedal them the whole way, but if a dozen white guys get together they're instantly called racist and subjected to maximum legal penalties. And yet, the 'common refrain' which you are repeating in your post is that white people, men, Christians, etc have all the power, control all the money and banks and media, etc etc. Your notion of who has 'power' is totally wrong. There aren't two groups here, there are three. The left has power. The right does not. The under-group are the marginal minorities who the left uses to justify their power and discrimination. [0] https://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360 https://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360

by ido 6y ago

kristopolous 6y ago

It's unfortunate these people said/did that but can we please stop conflating the personal transgressions of employees as if it's reflective of the company as a whole? It's a few employees, probably early 20s, making some insensitive and off color remarks. That's it, nothing more

asutekku 6y ago
Having it in your product will affect the whole product.
- jlawson 6y ago
  Reminds me of a quote from JK Simmons' character in the prison drama Oz. The other prisoner was asking if it was okay to have a black man's tissues used in a dental graft on his gums. "Define purity."

jlawson 6y ago

This was a victory for the common sense right to make fun of things. A parody brand of soap called "ogay" simply is not harmful any more than a gentle parody of white people, America, southerners, Christians, etc as seen all over games like GTA5. Let people laugh at things. In the end it's far more socially healthy for everyone than constantly cranking up the hypersensitivity. Acceptance built of fear and power is not acceptance at all.

olliej 6y ago
Yes, because belittling minorities and other groups that have historically had their rights systematically violated, by the people now making jokes at their expense is 100% ok. It’s not hypersensitive for someone to say “stop making jokes out of our existence”, especially when those groups are still routinely murdered for the crime of existing. Jokes that punch down should be judged accordingly
- hoseja 6y ago
  How do you fairly determine the punching direction? Also, are you being sarcastic with these tired, stereotypical phrases?
  - mxmilkb 6y ago
    Are you trying to psychologically pin the reaction of others with that second sentence of substance-free rhetoric? I hope the initial question is naivety and not sealioning.
    - hoseja 6y ago
      Just an honest invocation of Poe's law, swear. edit: self-censored a small rant
  - olliej 6y ago
    You look at which group has more power. This is not hard. You can’t be fired for being straight, in multiple states you can be fired for being anything other than straight or cisgendered. People aren’t physically or verbally assaulted for being Christian, they are for being Muslim (in America, other countries the reverse can easily be true). There aren’t elected officials campaigning on a platform of banning Christians, or deporting illegal Europeans. A common refrain isn’t that Christians control Hollywood and banks. No president other than Obama was ever subjected to continuous claims that they weren’t born in America. These all show you who has power to set the baseline for what is and what is not ok. This isn’t a hard concept, unless you’re deliberately choosing to dismiss every group other than yourself.
    - jlawson 6y ago
      And yet, if you tweet the words 'it's okay to be $ethnic_group', the only value of $ethnic_group that gets your career ended is 'white'. And yet, if you tweet 'I support $candidate for president', the only value of $candidate that ends your career is 'Trump'. And yet, conservatives and Christians are openly and viciously discriminated against in tech and media. Which is why they are essentially nonexistent. Nonexistent! You can't find them! In the closet, like gays in 1975. Palmer Luckey got chased out of our tech industry because they found out he liked Trump, he didn't even argue publicly. Damore was ruined for a good-faith pro-diversity memo. And yet, men are 1:2 discriminated against compared to women in STEM tenure track positions [0]. And yet, BLM rioters can spend weeks burning and looting a city and the media and courts will soft-pedal them the whole way, but if a dozen white guys get together they're instantly called racist and subjected to maximum legal penalties. And yet, the 'common refrain' which you are repeating in your post is that white people, men, Christians, etc have all the power, control all the money and banks and media, etc etc. Your notion of who has 'power' is totally wrong. There aren't two groups here, there are three. The left has power. The right does not. The under-group are the marginal minorities who the left uses to justify their power and discrimination. [0] https://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360 https://www.pnas.org/content/112/17/5360