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Not every soldier is a bloodthirsty Blackwater mercenary. I think it takes more courage to put your life on the line for your country than to avoid putting your

by umvi 6y ago

Not every soldier is a bloodthirsty Blackwater mercenary. I think it takes more courage to put your life on the line for your country than to avoid putting your life on the line with some moral justification you've come up with. Not all wars are the same, obviously. Perhaps I would respect the conscientious objector in the case of Afghanistan, but if there is a draft for WW3 and everything is on the line - our country, our freedom, I would respect the soldier who answers the call of duty more than someone who tries to get out of it (unless they just object to the killing part and still go as a medic)

jefurii 6y ago
It takes a lot of willpower and courage to swim against the tide of your entire culture especially during wartime. My grandfathers were both COs. They didn't spend the war sitting around relaxing. One served as a smoke jumper (forest firefighter) in the Sierras and the other worked in a mental institution, which in those days was more like Bedlam than a hospital. They had to pay their own way and missed out on GI Bill benefits (fair enough).
jpmoral 6y ago
>with some moral justification you've come up with >more than someone who tries to get out of it This sounds pretty dismissive of conscientious objection, regarding it as little more than a veil for cowardice. You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but I'm curious as to whether I've judged that correctly and how strongly you hold it.
- gridlockd 6y ago
  Suppose I'm a millionaire who refuses to pay taxes because that is financing war. Isn't it a little bit too convenient that me not paying taxes makes me richer for "moral reasons"? If someone stands to gain from something, one must assume the least noble of all plausible motives.
belorn 6y ago
During the second world war, only about 25% of the solider fired their rifle during the war. Among those few that did, the wast majority did so in response of a buddy getting shot or shot at. It takes a lot to get people to kill an other human being. A country and freedom sounds like a nice concept but in the battle field what actually count to push people over that edge is pseudo-kinship.

by umvi 6y ago

jefurii 6y ago

It takes a lot of willpower and courage to swim against the tide of your entire culture especially during wartime. My grandfathers were both COs. They didn't spend the war sitting around relaxing. One served as a smoke jumper (forest firefighter) in the Sierras and the other worked in a mental institution, which in those days was more like Bedlam than a hospital. They had to pay their own way and missed out on GI Bill benefits (fair enough).

jpmoral 6y ago

>with some moral justification you've come up with >more than someone who tries to get out of it This sounds pretty dismissive of conscientious objection, regarding it as little more than a veil for cowardice. You're entitled to your opinion, of course, but I'm curious as to whether I've judged that correctly and how strongly you hold it.

gridlockd 6y ago
Suppose I'm a millionaire who refuses to pay taxes because that is financing war. Isn't it a little bit too convenient that me not paying taxes makes me richer for "moral reasons"? If someone stands to gain from something, one must assume the least noble of all plausible motives.

belorn 6y ago

During the second world war, only about 25% of the solider fired their rifle during the war. Among those few that did, the wast majority did so in response of a buddy getting shot or shot at. It takes a lot to get people to kill an other human being. A country and freedom sounds like a nice concept but in the battle field what actually count to push people over that edge is pseudo-kinship.