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not it isnt. the mortality rate is in the same ballpark.

Shared404 6y ago
How many hospitalizations have there been compared to the ordinary flu though? Continuing this line of thought, how many of these hospitalizations have prevented a mortality?
dragonwriter 6y ago
> the mortality rate is in the same ballpark Even if that were true, mortality rate isn't alone the complete measure of a disease’s danger, among other reasons because death isn't the harm diseases do. And it's not, at all, true. The extremely low of estimates of the infection fatality rate for COVID-19 are around the rate of the symptomatic case fatality rate of the seasonal flu, compare IFR to IFR (even with rosy estimates for COVID) or CFR to CFR and COVID-19 is much worse.
- spirobel 6y ago
  so which cfr should I compare to what? cfr differs by time and country. it makes zero sense that a virus is racist and changes its opinions over time.
spicymaki 6y ago
> not it isnt. the mortality rate is in the same ballpark. You are trolling. Please cite sources if you are going to make claims like these. We don't have an accepted mortality rate for Covid-19 yet[1]: In the US: US mortality due to influenza for 2018-2019: 34,200 [2] Death to Covid-19 in the US is currently: > 170,000 [3] We don't have a proven viable vaccine for Covid-19. [1] https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseas... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html [3] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm
- spirobel 6y ago
  yeah. the numbers make zero sense. thats why you need to look at the numbers of deaths that dont have x amount of comorbidities. look at sweden by the way. they have herd immunity now and they didnt ruin their economy. they also didnt have this much deaths. so something is messed up about the US numbers if we are talking about the same desease.
  - jacquesm 6y ago
    > they have herd immunity now Please stop spouting nonsense, it is downright embarrassing. Sweden does not have herd immunity, they had far more cases and fatalities than their neighboring countries and is not to be compared to the US when it comes to geography, education, general demographics and general state of health and healthcare.
    - spirobel 6y ago
      lol you sound like trump all you say is:"sweden bad! sweden really bad! sad!" But please look at the numbers: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/ why are the daily deaths practically zero now? why are there almost no new cases? But I get why you talk like this. The framing is intense. Just ease up on reading the news and try to explain these numbers. Its funny how all the Americans seem to hate on sweden now for no reason. Its a wonderful country. :-)

How many hospitalizations have there been compared to the ordinary flu though? Continuing this line of thought, how many of these hospitalizations have prevented a mortality?

dragonwriter 6y ago

> the mortality rate is in the same ballpark Even if that were true, mortality rate isn't alone the complete measure of a disease’s danger, among other reasons because death isn't the harm diseases do. And it's not, at all, true. The extremely low of estimates of the infection fatality rate for COVID-19 are around the rate of the symptomatic case fatality rate of the seasonal flu, compare IFR to IFR (even with rosy estimates for COVID) or CFR to CFR and COVID-19 is much worse.

spirobel 6y ago
so which cfr should I compare to what? cfr differs by time and country. it makes zero sense that a virus is racist and changes its opinions over time.

spicymaki 6y ago

> not it isnt. the mortality rate is in the same ballpark. You are trolling. Please cite sources if you are going to make claims like these. We don't have an accepted mortality rate for Covid-19 yet[1]: In the US: US mortality due to influenza for 2018-2019: 34,200 [2] Death to Covid-19 in the US is currently: > 170,000 [3] We don't have a proven viable vaccine for Covid-19. [1] https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseases/coronavirus/coronavirus-disease-2019-vs-the-flu https://www.hopkinsmedicine.org/health/conditions-and-diseas... [2] https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html [3] https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid19/index.htm

spirobel 6y ago
yeah. the numbers make zero sense. thats why you need to look at the numbers of deaths that dont have x amount of comorbidities. look at sweden by the way. they have herd immunity now and they didnt ruin their economy. they also didnt have this much deaths. so something is messed up about the US numbers if we are talking about the same desease.
- jacquesm 6y ago
  > they have herd immunity now Please stop spouting nonsense, it is downright embarrassing. Sweden does not have herd immunity, they had far more cases and fatalities than their neighboring countries and is not to be compared to the US when it comes to geography, education, general demographics and general state of health and healthcare.
  - spirobel 6y ago
    lol you sound like trump all you say is:"sweden bad! sweden really bad! sad!" But please look at the numbers: https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/ https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/ why are the daily deaths practically zero now? why are there almost no new cases? But I get why you talk like this. The framing is intense. Just ease up on reading the news and try to explain these numbers. Its funny how all the Americans seem to hate on sweden now for no reason. Its a wonderful country. :-)