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When your economy does not have as far to fall before it becomes tragic I guess the drop doesn't feel too bad. Iowa's pandemic response has been pathetic and b

by evgen 6y ago

When your economy does not have as far to fall before it becomes tragic I guess the drop doesn't feel too bad. Iowa's pandemic response has been pathetic and between Covid Kim pushing for opening things up while the state continues to see increased growth of covid cases and a senator who claims there have only been 10K covid deaths I think Iowa has absolutely nothing to feel good about. I keep calling back to parents who are rightfully afraid to go out with the large number of maskless morons walking around town while oblivious neices and nephews enjoy house parties in Ames and Iowa City for the first week of classes. You are less than two weeks from a peak of covid cases being diagnosed, schools are being pushed to open, and at this point it is no longer a question of whether you will see new covid diagnosis peaks by the end of the month but rather how high it will jump. There are states that have had good responses to the pandemic, Iowa is not one of them.

war1025 6y ago
> There are states that have had good responses to the pandemic, Iowa is not one of them. I work in Ames and live in the next town over. As I said before, and as I will repeat any time it comes up, for a place that is supposedly doing "everything wrong", there is very little impact on daily life. As in, literally zero. You wear a mask to the store. Other than that, life continues mostly as before. People are in my opinion making a serious mistake holding Iowa up as the picture of failure because Coronavirus is literally a non-event in most people's lives here. I've been told for months now that we're on the cusp of everything going wrong. It's been one big nothing after another.
- sfkdjf9j3j 6y ago
  We're just looking at the data and making comparisons to similar situations that have played out elsewhere in the country. That it doesn't affect you right now is irrelevant to the public health concerns. The whole point is to make sure it doesn't affect you.
  - war1025 6y ago
    And all I'm saying is whatever models you are looking at are blatantly wrong. I've been told every time it comes up since April that Iowa is on the cusp of being the next New York given how terribly we're handling everything. It hasn't happened. It's not going to happen.
    - RandoHolmes 6y ago
      You sound like an anti-vaxxer. Maybe you're right, but you're missing the point.
bleah1000 6y ago
Your post seems more like you are hoping that Iowa is going to suffer some terrible epidemic of cases, rather than talking about the data. You are speaking from the point of view of your parents, who are likely scared. For vulnerable people, they still really shouldn't be going out, and they have every right to be worried. But at some point, we have to say that the majority of the population that is very likely not going to be as negatively affected can be allowed to live their lives. Looking at the number of cases in Iowa, they are slowly ticking up, but cases are a terrible way to determine if covid is getting to be a problem. You need to look at percentage testing positive, hospitalizations and deaths. And if Iowa is anything like California, Florida, and Texas, there will be a spike in cases among younger people, and a slow increase in hospitalizations. But it won't be as bad as everyone pretends it is, and in many cases, it won't help to start locking things down again or for the first time, you'll simply push the curve out. Nearly the same number of people will get sick, just over a longer time frame. In fact, that was the whole point of flattening the curve, it wasn't to stop covid, it was to push the cases out so that our healthcare system is not overwhelmed. The area under the curve would likely be similar to a non-flattened curve. I don't see any evidence that Iowa will be overwhelmed, but perhaps you have better data that you can point to that shows everything going wrong.

by evgen 6y ago

war1025 6y ago

> There are states that have had good responses to the pandemic, Iowa is not one of them. I work in Ames and live in the next town over. As I said before, and as I will repeat any time it comes up, for a place that is supposedly doing "everything wrong", there is very little impact on daily life. As in, literally zero. You wear a mask to the store. Other than that, life continues mostly as before. People are in my opinion making a serious mistake holding Iowa up as the picture of failure because Coronavirus is literally a non-event in most people's lives here. I've been told for months now that we're on the cusp of everything going wrong. It's been one big nothing after another.

sfkdjf9j3j 6y ago
We're just looking at the data and making comparisons to similar situations that have played out elsewhere in the country. That it doesn't affect you right now is irrelevant to the public health concerns. The whole point is to make sure it doesn't affect you.
- war1025 6y ago
  And all I'm saying is whatever models you are looking at are blatantly wrong. I've been told every time it comes up since April that Iowa is on the cusp of being the next New York given how terribly we're handling everything. It hasn't happened. It's not going to happen.
  - RandoHolmes 6y ago
    You sound like an anti-vaxxer. Maybe you're right, but you're missing the point.

bleah1000 6y ago

Your post seems more like you are hoping that Iowa is going to suffer some terrible epidemic of cases, rather than talking about the data. You are speaking from the point of view of your parents, who are likely scared. For vulnerable people, they still really shouldn't be going out, and they have every right to be worried. But at some point, we have to say that the majority of the population that is very likely not going to be as negatively affected can be allowed to live their lives. Looking at the number of cases in Iowa, they are slowly ticking up, but cases are a terrible way to determine if covid is getting to be a problem. You need to look at percentage testing positive, hospitalizations and deaths. And if Iowa is anything like California, Florida, and Texas, there will be a spike in cases among younger people, and a slow increase in hospitalizations. But it won't be as bad as everyone pretends it is, and in many cases, it won't help to start locking things down again or for the first time, you'll simply push the curve out. Nearly the same number of people will get sick, just over a longer time frame. In fact, that was the whole point of flattening the curve, it wasn't to stop covid, it was to push the cases out so that our healthcare system is not overwhelmed. The area under the curve would likely be similar to a non-flattened curve. I don't see any evidence that Iowa will be overwhelmed, but perhaps you have better data that you can point to that shows everything going wrong.