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yet the new Samsung Xcover Pro, targeted for the rugged/business market, managed to make a modern high quality phone with a removable battery: https://www.samsu

yet the new Samsung Xcover Pro, targeted for the rugged/business market, managed to make a modern high quality phone with a removable battery: https://www.samsung.com/us/business/products/mobile/phones/galaxy-xcover-pro/buy/ https://www.samsung.com/us/business/products/mobile/phones/g... . Edit0: specs: https://www.samsung.com/us/business/products/mobile/phones/galaxy-xcover-pro/buy/ https://www.samsung.com/us/business/products/mobile/phones/g... - 4000+mAh battery.

scarface74 6y ago
And it has a substandard camera, heavier, thicker, face detection that is not secure, a less than top end processor and a fingerprint reader that isn’t reliable. https://www.samsung.com/us/business/products/mobile/phones/galaxy-xcover-pro/buy/ https://www.samsung.com/us/business/products/mobile/phones/g... And since it is a Samsung device, by the time you get ready to change the battery, Samsung more than likely won’t be updating the operating system. The $399 iPhone SE has a better processor, camera, finger print sensor and given Apple’s history, will probably get operating system updates for five years. You could get the battery replaced, and have an updated operating system for years and still be at slightly less than $499.
- abawany 6y ago
  These are irrelevant digressions to the post that I was responding. The parent comment appeared to be implying it was technically impossible and that does not seem to be true. Your ad hominem and irrelevant attack on Samsung is weird: 1) you don't know the support cycle of this commercial device, and 2) often options such as LineageOS become available for such devices.
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Yes it’s technically possible if you want a heavier, thicker device. And you don’t save any money. The $399 iPhone SE with a battery replacement will be cheaper, smaller, lighter, supported, and faster. you don't know the support cycle of this commercial device Has any Samsung device ever had six years of upgrades like the original SE/6S? often options such as LineageOS become available for such devices. Yeah that’s something most consumers are going to do. As opposed to just going to settings and click upgrade. So tell me again what is the advantage of the phone again? It’s not price, longevity, weight, size, or performance.
    - abawany 6y ago
      You keep changing the narrative to one that favors your Apple advocacy. You can think of no reason why I might strongly prefer this Samsung over your Apple? Not one? I have seen hundreds of your comments on this site on Apple threads and you never seem interested in seeing the opposing parties point of view. Why? Before you accuse me of the same, know that I have a MBP 2020/16, an iPhone 6s, and other Apple devices. I have recommended Apple to people to whom I felt it would be a fit. I ask you again: can you think of any reasons why I would prefer this particular Samsung?
      - scarface74 6y ago
        Your “advocacy” is that a replaceable battery increases the longevity of the device. But how does it increase longevity of a device if it is not going to be supported by the vendor for more than a couple of years instead of six like the original SE? How is it better for the consumer if the phone you linked to is more expensive than the iPhone SE + one battery replacement. The phone you linked to is worse in every objective measure. The fact is that even the best Android phones also don’t have a replaceable battery. Are all the manufacturers under the same delusion that consumers don’t care about replaceable batteries?
        abawany 6y ago
        You never answered the question. Not once. You are not even trying. You changed the topic to me 'advocating' for this phone when I, to clarify to you for the third time, was responding to someone who I felt was stating that it's technically impossible to build phones with replaceable batteries. For once, just once, I'd like to hear you say something even slightly bad about Apple. Come on, just once?
        scarface74 6y ago
        No one was saying that it is impossible to create a phone with a replaceable battery. There have been phones with replaceable batteries for four decades. The argument is that the market doesn’t care. If the market cared about replaceable batteries why are all phone manufacturers creating high end phones with none replaceable batteries? It’s not just Apple it’s the entire industry. Engineering is about tradeoffs. The phone you linked to proves exactly that - the phone is bulkier and heavier than the state of the art phones from Samsung
- hyperdimension 6y ago
  > heavier, thicker, face detection Isn't that kind of facial detection done in software? How can it be `heavier' or `thicker' if it's software?
  - scarface74 6y ago
    Quote out of context much? > heavier, thicker, face detection that is not secure,
    - hyperdimension 6y ago
      Maybe so, but I still am unsure how the words `heavier' and `thicker' can apply to a software function. Is it maybe a way of saying more computationally intense or more layers in a neural network? It could be a non-native speaker, but to me those adjectives only really apply to physical things. I'm not sure.
- fomine3 6y ago
  That's just a view from Apple fan to complaining Android. BTW iPhones are really heavier.
giantrobot 6y ago
The fact you managed to find one out of dozens of models Samsung sells and it is targeted for business fleet sales is telling. Replaceable batteries are not a hot consumer feature. Samsung's other phones of similar size are thinner and lighter. Non-replaceable batteries are a net benefit for consumers most of the time. They get the lighter thinner phones with all the features they want. If you want to keep the same phone for a decade, even with a replaceable battery, I wish you the best of luck. In the US I don't think there's any active 2G service and 3G services will be turned off in the near future. It'll make a decent media player or WiFi browser but it won't act as a phone.
- abawany 6y ago
  That's the one that came to mind - I am sure there are others. You appeared to be claiming it was technically impossible and I found a good example. You keep asserting that you know what is good for me or other consumers with no evidence and this is a pattern I see repeated in this and other threads. Why? What's it to you that I want some control over my device? Edit0: I've often found much better (repairable, long lasting) products for myself by looking in the enterprise/ fleet catalog. My oft-mentioned HP Elite X360 is another example of a device targeted to the corporate market and as a result, enables easy replacement of the SSD and battery.
  - giantrobot 6y ago
    I didn't at any point claim it was impossible. I said batteries are a trade off. If you want a thin and lightweight phone with a user serviceable battery, you're going to have to sacrifice capacity. If you want user serviceable and high capacity you're going to at least sacrifice on thickness. I also didn't claim to know what is good for consumers. It should be obvious that given the choice between thick and heavy or thin and light consumer sales have favored thin and light for the past decade. That's not me dictating what is good, it's just me paying attention to the smartphone market for more than ten minutes. I am happy for you that you find phones and laptops that last you a long time. Bully for you. But you are not the bulk of the smartphone or laptop market. You represent a tiny portion of both markets. I know this because you have to hunt down phones and laptops with replaceable batteries while pretty much everything on sale at BestBuy is all glued together. Buy the shit that you want but don't pretend that you represent some silent majority quietly yearning to replace batteries in their phones and swap hard drives in their laptops.

scarface74 6y ago

And it has a substandard camera, heavier, thicker, face detection that is not secure, a less than top end processor and a fingerprint reader that isn’t reliable. https://www.samsung.com/us/business/products/mobile/phones/galaxy-xcover-pro/buy/ https://www.samsung.com/us/business/products/mobile/phones/g... And since it is a Samsung device, by the time you get ready to change the battery, Samsung more than likely won’t be updating the operating system. The $399 iPhone SE has a better processor, camera, finger print sensor and given Apple’s history, will probably get operating system updates for five years. You could get the battery replaced, and have an updated operating system for years and still be at slightly less than $499.

abawany 6y ago
These are irrelevant digressions to the post that I was responding. The parent comment appeared to be implying it was technically impossible and that does not seem to be true. Your ad hominem and irrelevant attack on Samsung is weird: 1) you don't know the support cycle of this commercial device, and 2) often options such as LineageOS become available for such devices.
- scarface74 6y ago
  Yes it’s technically possible if you want a heavier, thicker device. And you don’t save any money. The $399 iPhone SE with a battery replacement will be cheaper, smaller, lighter, supported, and faster. you don't know the support cycle of this commercial device Has any Samsung device ever had six years of upgrades like the original SE/6S? often options such as LineageOS become available for such devices. Yeah that’s something most consumers are going to do. As opposed to just going to settings and click upgrade. So tell me again what is the advantage of the phone again? It’s not price, longevity, weight, size, or performance.
  - abawany 6y ago
    You keep changing the narrative to one that favors your Apple advocacy. You can think of no reason why I might strongly prefer this Samsung over your Apple? Not one? I have seen hundreds of your comments on this site on Apple threads and you never seem interested in seeing the opposing parties point of view. Why? Before you accuse me of the same, know that I have a MBP 2020/16, an iPhone 6s, and other Apple devices. I have recommended Apple to people to whom I felt it would be a fit. I ask you again: can you think of any reasons why I would prefer this particular Samsung?
    - scarface74 6y ago
      Your “advocacy” is that a replaceable battery increases the longevity of the device. But how does it increase longevity of a device if it is not going to be supported by the vendor for more than a couple of years instead of six like the original SE? How is it better for the consumer if the phone you linked to is more expensive than the iPhone SE + one battery replacement. The phone you linked to is worse in every objective measure. The fact is that even the best Android phones also don’t have a replaceable battery. Are all the manufacturers under the same delusion that consumers don’t care about replaceable batteries?
      - abawany 6y ago
        You never answered the question. Not once. You are not even trying. You changed the topic to me 'advocating' for this phone when I, to clarify to you for the third time, was responding to someone who I felt was stating that it's technically impossible to build phones with replaceable batteries. For once, just once, I'd like to hear you say something even slightly bad about Apple. Come on, just once?
        scarface74 6y ago
        No one was saying that it is impossible to create a phone with a replaceable battery. There have been phones with replaceable batteries for four decades. The argument is that the market doesn’t care. If the market cared about replaceable batteries why are all phone manufacturers creating high end phones with none replaceable batteries? It’s not just Apple it’s the entire industry. Engineering is about tradeoffs. The phone you linked to proves exactly that - the phone is bulkier and heavier than the state of the art phones from Samsung
hyperdimension 6y ago
> heavier, thicker, face detection Isn't that kind of facial detection done in software? How can it be `heavier' or `thicker' if it's software?
- scarface74 6y ago
  Quote out of context much? > heavier, thicker, face detection that is not secure,
  - hyperdimension 6y ago
    Maybe so, but I still am unsure how the words `heavier' and `thicker' can apply to a software function. Is it maybe a way of saying more computationally intense or more layers in a neural network? It could be a non-native speaker, but to me those adjectives only really apply to physical things. I'm not sure.
fomine3 6y ago
That's just a view from Apple fan to complaining Android. BTW iPhones are really heavier.

giantrobot 6y ago

The fact you managed to find one out of dozens of models Samsung sells and it is targeted for business fleet sales is telling. Replaceable batteries are not a hot consumer feature. Samsung's other phones of similar size are thinner and lighter. Non-replaceable batteries are a net benefit for consumers most of the time. They get the lighter thinner phones with all the features they want. If you want to keep the same phone for a decade, even with a replaceable battery, I wish you the best of luck. In the US I don't think there's any active 2G service and 3G services will be turned off in the near future. It'll make a decent media player or WiFi browser but it won't act as a phone.

abawany 6y ago
That's the one that came to mind - I am sure there are others. You appeared to be claiming it was technically impossible and I found a good example. You keep asserting that you know what is good for me or other consumers with no evidence and this is a pattern I see repeated in this and other threads. Why? What's it to you that I want some control over my device? Edit0: I've often found much better (repairable, long lasting) products for myself by looking in the enterprise/ fleet catalog. My oft-mentioned HP Elite X360 is another example of a device targeted to the corporate market and as a result, enables easy replacement of the SSD and battery.
- giantrobot 6y ago
  I didn't at any point claim it was impossible. I said batteries are a trade off. If you want a thin and lightweight phone with a user serviceable battery, you're going to have to sacrifice capacity. If you want user serviceable and high capacity you're going to at least sacrifice on thickness. I also didn't claim to know what is good for consumers. It should be obvious that given the choice between thick and heavy or thin and light consumer sales have favored thin and light for the past decade. That's not me dictating what is good, it's just me paying attention to the smartphone market for more than ten minutes. I am happy for you that you find phones and laptops that last you a long time. Bully for you. But you are not the bulk of the smartphone or laptop market. You represent a tiny portion of both markets. I know this because you have to hunt down phones and laptops with replaceable batteries while pretty much everything on sale at BestBuy is all glued together. Buy the shit that you want but don't pretend that you represent some silent majority quietly yearning to replace batteries in their phones and swap hard drives in their laptops.