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I always see Apple cited as some malevolent king of planned obsolescence, but I have a 2013 MacBook Pro and an iPhone 6, both under constant use, both of which

I always see Apple cited as some malevolent king of planned obsolescence, but I have a 2013 MacBook Pro and an iPhone 6, both under constant use, both of which I have never had any significant issues with and do not plan to upgrade any time soon. I know they oppose Right-To-Repair, but so far their hardware has been fairly robust for me.

Wingman4l7 6y ago
They've intentionally made battery replacement more difficult on their laptops by using strong adhesive on in their batteries (they used to screw them in). What's more damning IMO is their propensity to solder RAM, and now SSDs, to the motherboard. If permanently affixing the most commonly upgraded parts for laptops isn't planned obsolescence, I'm not sure what is.
- Bud 6y ago
  Please don't be obtuse and intentionally ignore all the of the legitimate reasons why they are doing all these things. You're clearly and obviously smart enough to know what those reasons are. Hint: they're not "planned obsolescence" or any such bullshit. It would be better if we could discuss those issues honestly.
  - ClumsyPilot 6y ago
    If you are going to accuse the other person of being obtuse, you should at least answer the question: "what would apple have to do for you to admit that they are definately going for planned obsolescence?"
    - Bud 6y ago
      For starters, instead of providing software updates for THREE TIMES AS LONG as their main competitor in their main product space (iPhone), they'd need to start providing updates for, say, less long. :) Then, after that, they would need to start making products which, instead of holding their resale value for much longer than competing products (which they clearly and obviously do), hold their value for less long. I could go on, but really, for anyone paying attention? To the facts which really matter? This stuff is pretty obvious.

Wingman4l7 6y ago

They've intentionally made battery replacement more difficult on their laptops by using strong adhesive on in their batteries (they used to screw them in). What's more damning IMO is their propensity to solder RAM, and now SSDs, to the motherboard. If permanently affixing the most commonly upgraded parts for laptops isn't planned obsolescence, I'm not sure what is.

Bud 6y ago
Please don't be obtuse and intentionally ignore all the of the legitimate reasons why they are doing all these things. You're clearly and obviously smart enough to know what those reasons are. Hint: they're not "planned obsolescence" or any such bullshit. It would be better if we could discuss those issues honestly.
- ClumsyPilot 6y ago
  If you are going to accuse the other person of being obtuse, you should at least answer the question: "what would apple have to do for you to admit that they are definately going for planned obsolescence?"
  - Bud 6y ago
    For starters, instead of providing software updates for THREE TIMES AS LONG as their main competitor in their main product space (iPhone), they'd need to start providing updates for, say, less long. :) Then, after that, they would need to start making products which, instead of holding their resale value for much longer than competing products (which they clearly and obviously do), hold their value for less long. I could go on, but really, for anyone paying attention? To the facts which really matter? This stuff is pretty obvious.