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Trump isn't rated in a vacuum - There is too much hypocrisy in the opposition, starting with sticking with Biden after the allegation of sexual assault.

by Chris2048 6y ago

mhh__ 6y ago
The allegations against Biden have almost no water at all. Unless they are waiting to use Reade as an October surprise they wasted it. She made an allegation, and more specifically said she filed a complaint. The Biden team tried to publicly confirm its existence (i.e. they don't think it does), but the senate cannot publish it without Reade's permission. She later said she actually didn't publish a complaint. I would be inclined to believe her if she could keep her story straight and generally not seem a bit unreliable.
- Chris2048 6y ago
  > The allegations against Biden have almost no water at all. Holds no water? That doesn't seem to be accounted for in "I believe women" when Biden et al were warring with Republicans in general, not just Trump. Compare and contrast Reade & Biden with Christine Bleakley Ford & Kavanaugh, which quite a few publications have already.
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nullsense 6y ago
Well they stuck with Trump after he "grabbed her by the pussy".
- Chris2048 6y ago
  You put that in quotes, which usually implies a exact quote, rather than a third-party description of what someone said; But that is not an accurate quote. He said: ..when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab ‘em by the pussy. You can do anything.
  - nullsense 6y ago
    A more accurate quote doesn't make him look any better.
fabatka 6y ago
Not sure why the downvotes, I think this is almost a tautology. My perception is that Biden is just as "mainstream" as the previous opponent of Trump was - hence the slower decline of Trump's approval despite the president's performance.
- SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
  Well at least he doesn't not call the working clas "deplorables". Michael Moore has a very good comment on why Trump won in 2016, and why he still has a chance in 2020. Overall, Trump's performance up till COVID was okay, but he mishandled the pandemics terribly. Biden will win only because of this. Other than that Biden is boring bland candidate.
  - krapp 6y ago
    Hillary Clinton didn't call the working class deplorables. Here are her words, verbatim: “You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.” As you can read, the "basket of deplorables" refers to "about half of Trump's supporters" who she considers "“The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it." Now one can argue that she was wrong about the fraction of Trump's supporters who fit this archetype, but she did also call her own comment "grossly generalistic," so she wasn't trying to be precise and make a statement about literally 50% of Trump supporters. The only way someone can interpret this as referring to the entire working class is if, 1) they simply drink the Trumpist Kool-Aid without bothering to research because Screechy Woman Bad, or 2) they believe the entire working class comprises about half of Trump supporters, all of whom are racist, sexist, homophobic and xenophobic. And Biden being boring shouldn't be a negative. The Presidency isn't supposed to be entertainment, it's a political office in a bureaucracy.
    - SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
      It really does not matter how you spin this. What is important is how it was perceived by the working class. The most obvious understanding, which would not involve mental gymnastics is that half of the people who support Trump are indeed deplorables, or they are deplorables just because they are homophobic or Islamophobic. Guess what - many of the working class are indeed are, which does not make them lesser human being; it is the result of the environment they grew up.
jamroom 6y ago
What’s you’re opinion on why the Republican Party stuck with Trump despite the numerous sexual allegations against him? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_miscondu... I’m not trying to compare Biden and Trump in this, but you seem to imply in your post that dems should have dumped Biden because of that accusation. Why should Biden be treated differently than Trump?
- Chris2048 6y ago
  There's no hypocrisy involved with Republicans since they didn't state that all allegations by women should be believed unconditionally. Again, see the Dem comments about Kavanaugh and why they didn't think they needed any evidence to label him a rapist. As for the misconduct claims on Wikipedia, a lot of them look doubtful.

Trump isn't rated in a vacuum - There is too much hypocrisy in the opposition, starting with sticking with Biden after the allegation of sexual assault.

mhh__ 6y ago

The allegations against Biden have almost no water at all. Unless they are waiting to use Reade as an October surprise they wasted it. She made an allegation, and more specifically said she filed a complaint. The Biden team tried to publicly confirm its existence (i.e. they don't think it does), but the senate cannot publish it without Reade's permission. She later said she actually didn't publish a complaint. I would be inclined to believe her if she could keep her story straight and generally not seem a bit unreliable.

Chris2048 6y ago
> The allegations against Biden have almost no water at all. Holds no water? That doesn't seem to be accounted for in "I believe women" when Biden et al were warring with Republicans in general, not just Trump. Compare and contrast Reade & Biden with Christine Bleakley Ford & Kavanaugh, which quite a few publications have already.

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nullsense 6y ago

Well they stuck with Trump after he "grabbed her by the pussy".

Chris2048 6y ago
You put that in quotes, which usually implies a exact quote, rather than a third-party description of what someone said; But that is not an accurate quote. He said: ..when you're a star, they let you do it. You can do anything. ... Grab ‘em by the pussy. You can do anything.
- nullsense 6y ago
  A more accurate quote doesn't make him look any better.

fabatka 6y ago

Not sure why the downvotes, I think this is almost a tautology. My perception is that Biden is just as "mainstream" as the previous opponent of Trump was - hence the slower decline of Trump's approval despite the president's performance.

SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
Well at least he doesn't not call the working clas "deplorables". Michael Moore has a very good comment on why Trump won in 2016, and why he still has a chance in 2020. Overall, Trump's performance up till COVID was okay, but he mishandled the pandemics terribly. Biden will win only because of this. Other than that Biden is boring bland candidate.
- krapp 6y ago
  Hillary Clinton didn't call the working class deplorables. Here are her words, verbatim: “You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.” As you can read, the "basket of deplorables" refers to "about half of Trump's supporters" who she considers "“The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it." Now one can argue that she was wrong about the fraction of Trump's supporters who fit this archetype, but she did also call her own comment "grossly generalistic," so she wasn't trying to be precise and make a statement about literally 50% of Trump supporters. The only way someone can interpret this as referring to the entire working class is if, 1) they simply drink the Trumpist Kool-Aid without bothering to research because Screechy Woman Bad, or 2) they believe the entire working class comprises about half of Trump supporters, all of whom are racist, sexist, homophobic and xenophobic. And Biden being boring shouldn't be a negative. The Presidency isn't supposed to be entertainment, it's a political office in a bureaucracy.
  - SomeoneFromCA 6y ago
    It really does not matter how you spin this. What is important is how it was perceived by the working class. The most obvious understanding, which would not involve mental gymnastics is that half of the people who support Trump are indeed deplorables, or they are deplorables just because they are homophobic or Islamophobic. Guess what - many of the working class are indeed are, which does not make them lesser human being; it is the result of the environment they grew up.

jamroom 6y ago

What’s you’re opinion on why the Republican Party stuck with Trump despite the numerous sexual allegations against him? https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_misconduct_allegations https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Donald_Trump_sexual_miscondu... I’m not trying to compare Biden and Trump in this, but you seem to imply in your post that dems should have dumped Biden because of that accusation. Why should Biden be treated differently than Trump?

Chris2048 6y ago
There's no hypocrisy involved with Republicans since they didn't state that all allegations by women should be believed unconditionally. Again, see the Dem comments about Kavanaugh and why they didn't think they needed any evidence to label him a rapist. As for the misconduct claims on Wikipedia, a lot of them look doubtful.