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I thought what people in SF do is simply not pay the fare, to the tune of probably 1/3 of the people on the bus. Just like, by the way, in Paris. It seems tur

I thought what people in SF do is simply not pay the fare, to the tune of probably 1/3 of the people on the bus. Just like, by the way, in Paris. It seems turnstile jumping is a professional sport there. I'll just add by the way (since apparently I'm being downvoted for speaking a snarky comment), that fare enforcement seems almost non-existent in both SF and Paris. Something about it being too expensive or dangerous to actually make people buy tickets. But policing your rules is an important thing for having people believe in the system, as unpopular as it may be. And maybe how safe/trustworthy the system is. Which neither SF nor Paris are shining examples of.

GaryNumanVevo 6y ago
Public Transit is supposed to be for the public good. With a %25 fare recovery rate, turnstile jumping is a non-issue as the service (in SF and Paris) are designed to be a service, not a business
- supernova87a 6y ago
  So with that logic, why not just make it free for everyone? If there are rules, enforce them. Don't make the law abiding pay and look the other way for the ones breaking the rules.
  - kergonath 6y ago
    > So with that logic, why not just make it free for everyone? Why, indeed? This is a logical conclusion.
  - GaryNumanVevo 6y ago
    Yes, it’s a public good paid for by the public. Making it free would alleviate a lot of these issues.
kergonath 6y ago
Enforcement in Paris is getting more effective. A decade ago it was very rare to see them; now I seem to come across them about once a week. I don’t think danger was a problem in Paris. They always work as teams of ~5 people and I’ve never heard of them being specifically assaulted (unlike, say, bus drivers, unfortunately). In any case, London seem much better, both in terms of (perceived) safety and fare jumping. On the other hand, there are TfL agents everywhere (which is expensive, but you can’t jump the gates), and the fares are much higher.

GaryNumanVevo 6y ago

Public Transit is supposed to be for the public good. With a %25 fare recovery rate, turnstile jumping is a non-issue as the service (in SF and Paris) are designed to be a service, not a business

supernova87a 6y ago
So with that logic, why not just make it free for everyone? If there are rules, enforce them. Don't make the law abiding pay and look the other way for the ones breaking the rules.
- kergonath 6y ago
  > So with that logic, why not just make it free for everyone? Why, indeed? This is a logical conclusion.
- GaryNumanVevo 6y ago
  Yes, it’s a public good paid for by the public. Making it free would alleviate a lot of these issues.

kergonath 6y ago

Enforcement in Paris is getting more effective. A decade ago it was very rare to see them; now I seem to come across them about once a week. I don’t think danger was a problem in Paris. They always work as teams of ~5 people and I’ve never heard of them being specifically assaulted (unlike, say, bus drivers, unfortunately). In any case, London seem much better, both in terms of (perceived) safety and fare jumping. On the other hand, there are TfL agents everywhere (which is expensive, but you can’t jump the gates), and the fares are much higher.