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the police have been making it worse. Using questionable tactics, using disproportionate force, lieing, inciting/supporting one side over the other, using beyon

the police have been making it worse. Using questionable tactics, using disproportionate force, lieing, inciting/supporting one side over the other, using beyond questionable reasoning for declaring a riot, using agent provocateur ...i could go on. Check out Blue Leaks as well. The fact is the majority of the media covering Portland are not showing the whole story.

cwhiz 6y ago
Citizens have constitutional rights to peaceably assemble. The language is right there in the bill of rights. Police don’t show up and corral peaceful protesters who applied for, and were granted, permits for demonstrations. When an assembly becomes not peaceful it ceases to be lawful. If unlawful protesters do not disperse police must use what you call “questionable” tactics to remove them. The rule of law must be upheld.
- kombucha111 6y ago
  So one person throwing a bottle is a reason to declare a riot? This has happened. Who decides when an assembly ought to be declared a riot? Currently its police and they have shown time and again they cannot be relied on to make a sound judgement in that regard. The majority of time there has been little reason to declare a riot and instead of relieving the tension, government forces have stoked it. What about using agent provocateurs? Surely this is not what you consider to be upholding the rule of law. And for that matter Portland police have shown bias in their application of the law in regards to counter protestors. I support the rule of law wholeheartedly but it must be applied evenly across all fronts for the rule of law to be maintained. On its face alone, I agree with your statement but digging any deeper reveals that unfortunately your black and white maximalist/ reductionist viewpoint doesn't fit the reality in the ground. Its shades of grey. The media and the radicals on any side are forcing you into this viewpoint. Btw you are leaving out so much in your assessment to in order to make a black and white argument.
  - cwhiz 6y ago
    It’s simple. We have rules and regulations on how to assemble in public. They differ from city to city and state to state but the information isn’t hard to find. Typically you need a permit if your assembly is more than 20 people but that’s not universal. And an assembly in the middle of the night is almost certainly not peaceful or allowed. People are trying to make it grey to apologize for what is happening.
    - kombucha111 6y ago
      So do you think that such a simple approach would work to create change? What about free speech zones? Do those kinds of assemblies mean anything to those in power? Is a protest that doesn't have a permit still unlawful to you even if it were 100pc idealistically peaceful? Do you believe had there been meaningful change in the first 30 days, people wouldn't still be put protesting? What about the upcoming Proud Boy gathering, this does not have a permit. Are they not allowed either? There are plenty of instances where a demonstration doesn't need a permit like if you aren't blocking traffic or the demonstration is under a certain amount. These are genuine questions.
- spaced-out 6y ago
  >Police don’t show up and corral peaceful protesters who applied for, and were granted, permits for demonstrations 1. Is it a right if you need to ask permission from the very people you're protesting against? 2. The entire nation watched police tear gas peaceful protestors in DC so the President could have a photo of. We also saw Portland police break the hand of Christopher David, a 53 year old veteran when he approached police, unarmed, with his hands raised. >The rule of law must be upheld. The police need to follow the law too.
tlear 6y ago
Well cops left in Seattle and let Marxist larpers have a go. Couple dead people later that had to be ended. Well that and looting with a good doze of racketeering(protection money) and assaults on whoever did not look like they fit Watch the video where they executed one kid, the other who was shot lived because I guess he looked dead so they did not give him coup de grace
- kombucha111 6y ago
  Please provide sources.
  - tlear 6y ago
    Google it, it was all over the Reddit and even some “news” media bothered to report it. 2 kids white suv, roadblock.. 16 year old finished off with a round to the dome, younger one lived but was severely wounded. There is a video of the evidence destruction(them collecting casings) but it is harder to find. I think nobody been arrested or charged. Yeah nobody gives a shit about that either
    - kombucha111 6y ago
      Ill have to look it up and report back i guess.

cwhiz 6y ago

Citizens have constitutional rights to peaceably assemble. The language is right there in the bill of rights. Police don’t show up and corral peaceful protesters who applied for, and were granted, permits for demonstrations. When an assembly becomes not peaceful it ceases to be lawful. If unlawful protesters do not disperse police must use what you call “questionable” tactics to remove them. The rule of law must be upheld.

kombucha111 6y ago
So one person throwing a bottle is a reason to declare a riot? This has happened. Who decides when an assembly ought to be declared a riot? Currently its police and they have shown time and again they cannot be relied on to make a sound judgement in that regard. The majority of time there has been little reason to declare a riot and instead of relieving the tension, government forces have stoked it. What about using agent provocateurs? Surely this is not what you consider to be upholding the rule of law. And for that matter Portland police have shown bias in their application of the law in regards to counter protestors. I support the rule of law wholeheartedly but it must be applied evenly across all fronts for the rule of law to be maintained. On its face alone, I agree with your statement but digging any deeper reveals that unfortunately your black and white maximalist/ reductionist viewpoint doesn't fit the reality in the ground. Its shades of grey. The media and the radicals on any side are forcing you into this viewpoint. Btw you are leaving out so much in your assessment to in order to make a black and white argument.
- cwhiz 6y ago
  It’s simple. We have rules and regulations on how to assemble in public. They differ from city to city and state to state but the information isn’t hard to find. Typically you need a permit if your assembly is more than 20 people but that’s not universal. And an assembly in the middle of the night is almost certainly not peaceful or allowed. People are trying to make it grey to apologize for what is happening.
  - kombucha111 6y ago
    So do you think that such a simple approach would work to create change? What about free speech zones? Do those kinds of assemblies mean anything to those in power? Is a protest that doesn't have a permit still unlawful to you even if it were 100pc idealistically peaceful? Do you believe had there been meaningful change in the first 30 days, people wouldn't still be put protesting? What about the upcoming Proud Boy gathering, this does not have a permit. Are they not allowed either? There are plenty of instances where a demonstration doesn't need a permit like if you aren't blocking traffic or the demonstration is under a certain amount. These are genuine questions.
spaced-out 6y ago
>Police don’t show up and corral peaceful protesters who applied for, and were granted, permits for demonstrations 1. Is it a right if you need to ask permission from the very people you're protesting against? 2. The entire nation watched police tear gas peaceful protestors in DC so the President could have a photo of. We also saw Portland police break the hand of Christopher David, a 53 year old veteran when he approached police, unarmed, with his hands raised. >The rule of law must be upheld. The police need to follow the law too.

tlear 6y ago

Well cops left in Seattle and let Marxist larpers have a go. Couple dead people later that had to be ended. Well that and looting with a good doze of racketeering(protection money) and assaults on whoever did not look like they fit Watch the video where they executed one kid, the other who was shot lived because I guess he looked dead so they did not give him coup de grace

kombucha111 6y ago
Please provide sources.
- tlear 6y ago
  Google it, it was all over the Reddit and even some “news” media bothered to report it. 2 kids white suv, roadblock.. 16 year old finished off with a round to the dome, younger one lived but was severely wounded. There is a video of the evidence destruction(them collecting casings) but it is harder to find. I think nobody been arrested or charged. Yeah nobody gives a shit about that either
  - kombucha111 6y ago
    Ill have to look it up and report back i guess.