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> his one, in particular, that “antifa is a violent mob that is super hypocritical” For having met many of them during the Gilets Jaunes demonstration in Paris

by Nesco 6y ago

> his one, in particular, that “antifa is a violent mob that is super hypocritical” For having met many of them during the Gilets Jaunes demonstration in Paris, it’s not only true but an understatement. In addition everyone of them I talked to was of an abysmal intelligence and seemed to come only to destroy. I completely understand police brutality has I have been gassed, beaten and shot with rubber bullets while totally cooperative and non violent. However the behaviour of antifas is unacceptable. I highly suspect that the government used them to destroy any sympathy towards the protests. It might be also the case in the US.

pmoriarty 6y ago
"I highly suspect that the government used them to destroy any sympathy towards the protests." There have been documented cases of police infiltrating protest groups and encouraging violence, and probably many more that happened but have remained secret (because that's not really what the police ever want to talk about). This history of provocateurs is mostly unknown to the general public, and certainly underappreciated. Another factor is that pretty much anyone can dress in black and claim to be antifa (or whomever), or just commit violence without any political affiliation or purpose. Yet it's this anonymous non-organization that will get blamed regardless. Very few of the people pointing fingers will bother to (or even have the capacity to) look beneath the surface to figure out who the violent ones really are. Much simpler to just slap a label on them and take it at face value.
- sneak 6y ago
  I know for a fact that the police in Chicago used plainclothes officers to drag into the street many of their old/junked/rusted/decommissioned police cars; I'd be surprised if many of the vehicles so moved even functioned. I presume they either set them alight themselves, or made them extremely easy targets for the protests, specifically to bolster their "but they're burning police vehicles!" narrative. The reporting on the matter won't point out that it's a 30 year old police car with a blown engine that was rusting in the ass end of a police storage lot for 10 years prior to being burned. There are also lots of reports of police dressed in all black and not identified as cops (but wearing earpieces and cop-standard footwear) smashing things, and lots of pallets of bricks suddenly appearing in protest zones. The whole story is not being, and likely won't ever be, told.

by Nesco 6y ago

pmoriarty 6y ago

"I highly suspect that the government used them to destroy any sympathy towards the protests." There have been documented cases of police infiltrating protest groups and encouraging violence, and probably many more that happened but have remained secret (because that's not really what the police ever want to talk about). This history of provocateurs is mostly unknown to the general public, and certainly underappreciated. Another factor is that pretty much anyone can dress in black and claim to be antifa (or whomever), or just commit violence without any political affiliation or purpose. Yet it's this anonymous non-organization that will get blamed regardless. Very few of the people pointing fingers will bother to (or even have the capacity to) look beneath the surface to figure out who the violent ones really are. Much simpler to just slap a label on them and take it at face value.

sneak 6y ago
I know for a fact that the police in Chicago used plainclothes officers to drag into the street many of their old/junked/rusted/decommissioned police cars; I'd be surprised if many of the vehicles so moved even functioned. I presume they either set them alight themselves, or made them extremely easy targets for the protests, specifically to bolster their "but they're burning police vehicles!" narrative. The reporting on the matter won't point out that it's a 30 year old police car with a blown engine that was rusting in the ass end of a police storage lot for 10 years prior to being burned. There are also lots of reports of police dressed in all black and not identified as cops (but wearing earpieces and cop-standard footwear) smashing things, and lots of pallets of bricks suddenly appearing in protest zones. The whole story is not being, and likely won't ever be, told.