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> It’s a little bit cliche, but also true: to judge a protest by its most violent elements but to decline to do the same of the police is the language of the op

> It’s a little bit cliche, but also true: to judge a protest by its most violent elements but to decline to do the same of the police is the language of the oppressor. Then lucky us to have the news correct our judgement by withholding key facts. Edit: When replying to my extremely short comment, I would be grateful if you took the time to first read it. The single sentence I wrote neither claims the attempts at censorship were perfect, nor that the police were perfect little angels, nor does it equate anything (such as violence by one side) with anything else.

sneak 6y ago
I’ve seen no shortage of pearl-clutching over breathlessly reported videos of almost all of the violence so far. Some buildings and vehicles have burned. On the other hand, children have been shot in the face with projectiles and suffered TBIs. Police have permanently blinded people and shattered bones. I think it is a mistake to even begin to equate the amount of police violence that has been inflicted with the violence that has resulted from rioting. The police have been inflicting permanent injuries indiscriminately on anyone present. There is no comparison or remotely corresponding events in terms of violence from the protests, with the exception perhaps of the people who attacked Rittenhouse.
- amadeuspagel 6y ago
  > Some buildings and vehicles have burned. And some people have been murdered: https://apnews.com/864cb5c14ba08b4411a16577042d0773 https://apnews.com/864cb5c14ba08b4411a16577042d0773
  - sneak 6y ago
    At least one of the deaths mentioned in that URL... was shot by police. Recall also that these protests began because the police in the US have murdered thousands in the last few centuries. Anti-police-violence protests would have to sustain dozens of related deaths every single night for months to even approach the level of depravity exercised by police for years.
    - amadeuspagel 6y ago
      > At least one of the deaths mentioned in that URL... was shot by police. The URL clearly refutes the parent comment that the only damage done by the protestors are vehicles and buildings getting set on fire. > Recall also that these protests began because the police in the US have murdered thousands in the last few centuries. > Anti-police-violence protests would have to sustain dozens of related deaths every single night for months to even approach the level of depravity exercised by police for years. If we're going to police violence in the last few centuries, surely we should also include riots in the last few centuries? I'm pretty certain that more people were murdered by rioters then the police during that time.
      - sneak 6y ago
        > The URL clearly refutes the parent comment that the only damage done by the protestors are vehicles and buildings getting set on fire. You seem to assert that the murders itemized in that URL were committed by protesters. It's not reasonable to assume that any murders that happen at or near protests were caused by protestors and not opportunistic criminals that aren't invested in the protest one way or another, just as it's not reasonable to assume that police are justified in shooting anyone whose hands they can't see. The violence imposed by police is documented, because police are in uniform uniform, and zero non-cops are wearing those uniforms. There is no plain way to distinguish between opportunistic-criminals-present-at-a-protest and protesters. Indeed, during all of this, it has been documented that sometimes police have engaged in violence whilst wearing all black and not identified as police.
cochne 6y ago
It's not as if these elements don't exist on the side of the police either. Check out the article "Teargassed, beaten up, arrested: what freedom of the press looks like in the US right now", for example. For either side, the actions are in my opinion completely unwarranted by either side, and just wrong, but it didn't start with the protesters.

sneak 6y ago

I’ve seen no shortage of pearl-clutching over breathlessly reported videos of almost all of the violence so far. Some buildings and vehicles have burned. On the other hand, children have been shot in the face with projectiles and suffered TBIs. Police have permanently blinded people and shattered bones. I think it is a mistake to even begin to equate the amount of police violence that has been inflicted with the violence that has resulted from rioting. The police have been inflicting permanent injuries indiscriminately on anyone present. There is no comparison or remotely corresponding events in terms of violence from the protests, with the exception perhaps of the people who attacked Rittenhouse.

amadeuspagel 6y ago
> Some buildings and vehicles have burned. And some people have been murdered: https://apnews.com/864cb5c14ba08b4411a16577042d0773 https://apnews.com/864cb5c14ba08b4411a16577042d0773
- sneak 6y ago
  At least one of the deaths mentioned in that URL... was shot by police. Recall also that these protests began because the police in the US have murdered thousands in the last few centuries. Anti-police-violence protests would have to sustain dozens of related deaths every single night for months to even approach the level of depravity exercised by police for years.
  - amadeuspagel 6y ago
    > At least one of the deaths mentioned in that URL... was shot by police. The URL clearly refutes the parent comment that the only damage done by the protestors are vehicles and buildings getting set on fire. > Recall also that these protests began because the police in the US have murdered thousands in the last few centuries. > Anti-police-violence protests would have to sustain dozens of related deaths every single night for months to even approach the level of depravity exercised by police for years. If we're going to police violence in the last few centuries, surely we should also include riots in the last few centuries? I'm pretty certain that more people were murdered by rioters then the police during that time.
    - sneak 6y ago
      > The URL clearly refutes the parent comment that the only damage done by the protestors are vehicles and buildings getting set on fire. You seem to assert that the murders itemized in that URL were committed by protesters. It's not reasonable to assume that any murders that happen at or near protests were caused by protestors and not opportunistic criminals that aren't invested in the protest one way or another, just as it's not reasonable to assume that police are justified in shooting anyone whose hands they can't see. The violence imposed by police is documented, because police are in uniform uniform, and zero non-cops are wearing those uniforms. There is no plain way to distinguish between opportunistic-criminals-present-at-a-protest and protesters. Indeed, during all of this, it has been documented that sometimes police have engaged in violence whilst wearing all black and not identified as police.

cochne 6y ago

It's not as if these elements don't exist on the side of the police either. Check out the article "Teargassed, beaten up, arrested: what freedom of the press looks like in the US right now", for example. For either side, the actions are in my opinion completely unwarranted by either side, and just wrong, but it didn't start with the protesters.