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In my experience from the Dutch press, they are all very left leaning. Especially our public broadcasters. There is hardly any right leaning press in The Nethe

In my experience from the Dutch press, they are all very left leaning. Especially our public broadcasters. There is hardly any right leaning press in The Netherlands.

kyrra 6y ago
The US is the same way, most reporters are democrats. See: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/25/media-bubble-real-journalism-jobs-east-coast-215048 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/25/media-bub... https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Do_97_percent_of_journalist_donations_go_to_Democrats https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Do_97_percent_of_journali...
- gbrown 6y ago
  1. Forget reporters, our media is run mostly by mega-corporations. 2. Democrat != liberal, Republican != conservative, especially when comparing between countries
  - Fellshard 6y ago
    The bigger point is that once side of a partisan divide represents the vast majority of media resources, and the last several years have pulled back the curtain on their partisan behavior.
Yetanfou 6y ago
In the Netherlands, just like in Sweden and many other European countries you more or less need to balance the left-leaning main stream media opinion with some of the alternative channels - Geenstijl in the Netherlands and Nyheter Idag in Sweden to name a few - to get something which resembles the truth. I generally find you can get a good grasp of the political balance of main stream media in a country by looking at whether that country has a thriving alternative news scene. If it does, the media tends to be tilted in one direction, if it doesn't the media is either more balanced or the country oppresses alternative media sources. In that case those alternative sources tend to sprout outside of the country, e.g. Epoch Times vs the PRC. I also suspect the term 'alternative news sources' is ripe for overhaul, especially in those countries where these sources play a large role - e.g. Sweden. This is already happening in a way there, the division goes more towards whether a news organisation underwrites the ethical guidelines for news reporting ('pressetiska regler' in Swedish) or not. Another rather important division in Sweden is that between organisations which get monetary support from the state and those which do not, either because they do not want to be encumbered (e.g. "Nyheter Idag") or because they do not follow the ethical guidelines (many others).
danieldk 6y ago
Wait, what? The largest newspaper (Telegraaf) is definitely right wing. The second largest newspaper (AD) is also anything but left wing. I agree with public broadcasting, but that’s in part because the right wing has changed. Traditionally, the right-wing stronghold was the conservative christian block. Which had their political party and broadcasting associations. But these broadcasters have changed their direction after Christianity pretty much collapsed and became a minority religion in The Netherlands. However in recent years WNL and PowNed have been added as right-wing broadcasters.
- the-dude 6y ago
  The relevance of newspapers has been greatly diminished. And I am not even a millenial.
  - danieldk 6y ago
    Digital subscriptions of Dutch newspapers have grown steadily: https://www.svdj.nl/de-stand-van-de-nieuwsmedia/digitale-oplage-kranten-stijgen/ https://www.svdj.nl/de-stand-van-de-nieuwsmedia/digitale-opl... (For non-native speakers, scroll to the first graph.)
    - the-dude 6y ago
      You can't compare digital subscriptions with print-subscriptions, your own link even says so. De Telegraaf and het AD alone have lost about 800k subscriptions in the last two decades. And the trend sharpens. https://www.svdj.nl/de-stand-van-de-nieuwsmedia/papier/oplage-telegraaf-ad-klappen/ https://www.svdj.nl/de-stand-van-de-nieuwsmedia/papier/oplag...
      - danieldk 6y ago
        De Telegraaf and het AD alone have lost about 800k subscriptions in the last two decades. The curves for the other newspapers are far less profound and some of them do really well in digital subscriptions (NRC, Volkskrant, FD). Would be interesting to know what is going on here. Are people interested in right-wing media less inclined to pay for content, are they less in a position to pay for content, or are the traditional right-wing news papers being replaced by other media (if so, which ones?). At any rate, I stand by my point, which is: there have traditionally been large right-wing media in The Netherlands, but their audience seems to be leaving them. I also agree that there was a void for some time in public broadcasting, which is filled by some contenders, like PowNed and WNL. However, these broadcasting associations do not seem to do well, because they have very few members (25,000 and 50,000 respectively). Even a broadcaster like HUMAN, of which I have absolutely no clue what their profile is, has more members (68,000).

In my experience from the Dutch press, they are all very left leaning. Especially our public broadcasters. There is hardly any right leaning press in The Netherlands.

kyrra 6y ago

The US is the same way, most reporters are democrats. See: https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/25/media-bubble-real-journalism-jobs-east-coast-215048 https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2017/04/25/media-bub... https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Do_97_percent_of_journalist_donations_go_to_Democrats https://ballotpedia.org/Fact_check/Do_97_percent_of_journali...

gbrown 6y ago
1. Forget reporters, our media is run mostly by mega-corporations. 2. Democrat != liberal, Republican != conservative, especially when comparing between countries
- Fellshard 6y ago
  The bigger point is that once side of a partisan divide represents the vast majority of media resources, and the last several years have pulled back the curtain on their partisan behavior.

Yetanfou 6y ago

In the Netherlands, just like in Sweden and many other European countries you more or less need to balance the left-leaning main stream media opinion with some of the alternative channels - Geenstijl in the Netherlands and Nyheter Idag in Sweden to name a few - to get something which resembles the truth. I generally find you can get a good grasp of the political balance of main stream media in a country by looking at whether that country has a thriving alternative news scene. If it does, the media tends to be tilted in one direction, if it doesn't the media is either more balanced or the country oppresses alternative media sources. In that case those alternative sources tend to sprout outside of the country, e.g. Epoch Times vs the PRC. I also suspect the term 'alternative news sources' is ripe for overhaul, especially in those countries where these sources play a large role - e.g. Sweden. This is already happening in a way there, the division goes more towards whether a news organisation underwrites the ethical guidelines for news reporting ('pressetiska regler' in Swedish) or not. Another rather important division in Sweden is that between organisations which get monetary support from the state and those which do not, either because they do not want to be encumbered (e.g. "Nyheter Idag") or because they do not follow the ethical guidelines (many others).

danieldk 6y ago

Wait, what? The largest newspaper (Telegraaf) is definitely right wing. The second largest newspaper (AD) is also anything but left wing. I agree with public broadcasting, but that’s in part because the right wing has changed. Traditionally, the right-wing stronghold was the conservative christian block. Which had their political party and broadcasting associations. But these broadcasters have changed their direction after Christianity pretty much collapsed and became a minority religion in The Netherlands. However in recent years WNL and PowNed have been added as right-wing broadcasters.

the-dude 6y ago
The relevance of newspapers has been greatly diminished. And I am not even a millenial.
- danieldk 6y ago
  Digital subscriptions of Dutch newspapers have grown steadily: https://www.svdj.nl/de-stand-van-de-nieuwsmedia/digitale-oplage-kranten-stijgen/ https://www.svdj.nl/de-stand-van-de-nieuwsmedia/digitale-opl... (For non-native speakers, scroll to the first graph.)
  - the-dude 6y ago
    You can't compare digital subscriptions with print-subscriptions, your own link even says so. De Telegraaf and het AD alone have lost about 800k subscriptions in the last two decades. And the trend sharpens. https://www.svdj.nl/de-stand-van-de-nieuwsmedia/papier/oplage-telegraaf-ad-klappen/ https://www.svdj.nl/de-stand-van-de-nieuwsmedia/papier/oplag...
    - danieldk 6y ago
      De Telegraaf and het AD alone have lost about 800k subscriptions in the last two decades. The curves for the other newspapers are far less profound and some of them do really well in digital subscriptions (NRC, Volkskrant, FD). Would be interesting to know what is going on here. Are people interested in right-wing media less inclined to pay for content, are they less in a position to pay for content, or are the traditional right-wing news papers being replaced by other media (if so, which ones?). At any rate, I stand by my point, which is: there have traditionally been large right-wing media in The Netherlands, but their audience seems to be leaving them. I also agree that there was a void for some time in public broadcasting, which is filled by some contenders, like PowNed and WNL. However, these broadcasting associations do not seem to do well, because they have very few members (25,000 and 50,000 respectively). Even a broadcaster like HUMAN, of which I have absolutely no clue what their profile is, has more members (68,000).