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That makes it no less important to be aware of any bias in reporting. If only journalists that show the protests in a flattering light are allowed to film, then

That makes it no less important to be aware of any bias in reporting. If only journalists that show the protests in a flattering light are allowed to film, then this should be mentioned every time footage from the protests is shown, and any "mostly peaceful" claims can and should be dismissed as unverifiable.

josteink 6y ago
> any "mostly peaceful" claims can and should be dismissed as unverifiable I honestly thought “mostly peaceful” was a meme at this point. With cities on fire for months and months, how can anyone take such a claim seriously? Edit: Twitter seems to agree with me. https://twitter.com/search?q=%23MostlyPeaceful https://twitter.com/search?q=%23MostlyPeaceful
- UncleSlacky 6y ago
  According to this report, most BLM protests have been peaceful: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/05/nearly-all-black-lives-matter-protests-are-peaceful-despite-trump-narrative-report-finds https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/05/nearly-all-bla... original report here: https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/ https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-vi...
  - coldpie 6y ago
    BLM as an organization has existed since 2013-2014. Before 2020, has there been any violence from anti-police-brutality protesting? The protests have been incredibly peaceful for years and years. What you're seeing now is a response to the lack of action boiling over. When voting and peacefully protesting doesn't stop the government executing American citizens in the streets, what do you do next? What's left? When you get thousands of angry people together, it's just going to result in some bad actions, unfortunately. If you want the violence to stop, then stop giving thousands of angry people reasons to gather.
    - mStreamTeam 6y ago
      No violence except for the Dallas shootings in 2016: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_poli... Funny thing, BLM basically disappeared after this and just reappeared in 2020
      - burfog 6y ago
        It pops up during presidential election years. The donations are what is funding the DNC and the Biden campaign. It's an odd thing when you consider that Harris was a prosecutor who was unusually aggressive about putting black people in prison for minor offenses like pot, and that Biden was a senator who pushed to pass the strict sentencing. I think the deal is that getting a person to donate to an uninspiring political campaign is difficult, but it is easy to add a more-palatable organization in the middle to pass along the funding. It's almost money laundering.
  - josteink 6y ago
    This HN news-story is all about the news we get about this “mostly peaceful” movement being extremely biased. And you cite those very same news-stories as evidence of this article being wrong. Congratulations. Also, that guy who only beats his wife when he gets drunk in the weekend is mostly non-violent, so I guess there’s no problem there either then? At least not by your logic?
  - rbecker 6y ago
    What a fascinating report. It takes time to name the people wrongly killed by police, detail their deaths, but doesn't mention anyone killed by people who might be associated with BLM. It doesn't bother to so much as give a number of fatalities! Well we know there were at least some: https://apnews.com/864cb5c14ba08b4411a16577042d0773 https://apnews.com/864cb5c14ba08b4411a16577042d0773 The same approach is taken to other areas: Violence by police gets described in detail, violence by protesters gets a brief statistic such as "Post-deployment, the percentage of violent demonstrations has risen from under 17% to over 42%". I must say I was shocked when the report managed to mention how many Rittenhouse shot, but omitted that he was shot at himself, and was on the floor, being hit in the head with a skateboard when he shot the 2nd and 3rd persons. Oh but it did mention Trump failed to condemn his actions - that part was important enough to include.
  - awerawerawrjhui 6y ago
    According to your link, "93% of demonstrations have involved no serious harm to people or property" out of a total of 7,750 demonstrations this year. Which is one way to say that there have been approximately 542 protests this year involving serious harm to people or property. But sure, nothing to see here. (And by the way, what % of that 93% involved harm that the researchers didn't consider "serious"?) Next time I see my grandad I'll tell him that there were only 71 bombing raids on London over 8 months of the Blitz, therefore his childhood in that city was "mostly peaceful."

josteink 6y ago

> any "mostly peaceful" claims can and should be dismissed as unverifiable I honestly thought “mostly peaceful” was a meme at this point. With cities on fire for months and months, how can anyone take such a claim seriously? Edit: Twitter seems to agree with me. https://twitter.com/search?q=%23MostlyPeaceful https://twitter.com/search?q=%23MostlyPeaceful

UncleSlacky 6y ago
According to this report, most BLM protests have been peaceful: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/05/nearly-all-black-lives-matter-protests-are-peaceful-despite-trump-narrative-report-finds https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/sep/05/nearly-all-bla... original report here: https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-violence-in-america-new-data-for-summer-2020/ https://acleddata.com/2020/09/03/demonstrations-political-vi...
- coldpie 6y ago
  BLM as an organization has existed since 2013-2014. Before 2020, has there been any violence from anti-police-brutality protesting? The protests have been incredibly peaceful for years and years. What you're seeing now is a response to the lack of action boiling over. When voting and peacefully protesting doesn't stop the government executing American citizens in the streets, what do you do next? What's left? When you get thousands of angry people together, it's just going to result in some bad actions, unfortunately. If you want the violence to stop, then stop giving thousands of angry people reasons to gather.
  - mStreamTeam 6y ago
    No violence except for the Dallas shootings in 2016: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_police_officers https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_shooting_of_Dallas_poli... Funny thing, BLM basically disappeared after this and just reappeared in 2020
    - burfog 6y ago
      It pops up during presidential election years. The donations are what is funding the DNC and the Biden campaign. It's an odd thing when you consider that Harris was a prosecutor who was unusually aggressive about putting black people in prison for minor offenses like pot, and that Biden was a senator who pushed to pass the strict sentencing. I think the deal is that getting a person to donate to an uninspiring political campaign is difficult, but it is easy to add a more-palatable organization in the middle to pass along the funding. It's almost money laundering.
- josteink 6y ago
  This HN news-story is all about the news we get about this “mostly peaceful” movement being extremely biased. And you cite those very same news-stories as evidence of this article being wrong. Congratulations. Also, that guy who only beats his wife when he gets drunk in the weekend is mostly non-violent, so I guess there’s no problem there either then? At least not by your logic?
- rbecker 6y ago
  What a fascinating report. It takes time to name the people wrongly killed by police, detail their deaths, but doesn't mention anyone killed by people who might be associated with BLM. It doesn't bother to so much as give a number of fatalities! Well we know there were at least some: https://apnews.com/864cb5c14ba08b4411a16577042d0773 https://apnews.com/864cb5c14ba08b4411a16577042d0773 The same approach is taken to other areas: Violence by police gets described in detail, violence by protesters gets a brief statistic such as "Post-deployment, the percentage of violent demonstrations has risen from under 17% to over 42%". I must say I was shocked when the report managed to mention how many Rittenhouse shot, but omitted that he was shot at himself, and was on the floor, being hit in the head with a skateboard when he shot the 2nd and 3rd persons. Oh but it did mention Trump failed to condemn his actions - that part was important enough to include.
- awerawerawrjhui 6y ago
  According to your link, "93% of demonstrations have involved no serious harm to people or property" out of a total of 7,750 demonstrations this year. Which is one way to say that there have been approximately 542 protests this year involving serious harm to people or property. But sure, nothing to see here. (And by the way, what % of that 93% involved harm that the researchers didn't consider "serious"?) Next time I see my grandad I'll tell him that there were only 71 bombing raids on London over 8 months of the Blitz, therefore his childhood in that city was "mostly peaceful."