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But that does not correctly describe how the relationship with the Soviets were handled - that's not how I remember it. There was always cognisance of conflict,

by jeswin 6y ago

But that does not correctly describe how the relationship with the Soviets were handled - that's not how I remember it. There was always cognisance of conflict, and there would have been absolutely no chance of a tilted economic relationship pumping hundreds of billions into a military which is fundamentally incompatible with democratic values. Continuing on the current path will keep things peaceful for now, but happens in twenty years? The belief that China will open up has spectacularly failed.

simion314 6y ago
Try not be blinded by political scheming, China is not trying to conquer the world and US is also not trying to bring peace, the game is not as black and white as you would believe and the "good guys" will be shown as less good in 50 years when the secrets will be reveled and propaganda will switch to something else. Not cooperating in space related topics is as stupid as US demanding not to use mathematics or physics developed by China. Science should not care about the politics of the current dudes in power.
- yearoflinux 6y ago
  Us is definitely not trying to bring peace, anywhere, ever. But I am suspicious of you when you say chia doesn't want to conquer the world. Nobody can be that naiive so I wonder how else to explain your statement. I notice you claim to be Romanian but also comment a lot on China related posts (other than this)
  - simion314 6y ago
    Yes , I am Romanian so I have a different perspective then someone from US. I can see better the trends. I am also a Star Trek fan and it pains me that we can't collaborate in space research and it is always a "race" or national security. Are you trying to imply that I am paid by China because I don't agree with US latest politics ? I am for human rights and equality , including to Saudi Arabia where half of the population are property but since they are US friends there are no daily news about the human rights there. You probably read my TikToc comments, yes I think is not about national security and more about economic and the Trump's ego, I am also against Apple lockdown of the store and I critique Apple collaborating with China and not letting Chinese people sideload applications (if I were a Chinese shill I would kiss Apple ass everything are mentioned)

by jeswin 6y ago

simion314 6y ago

Try not be blinded by political scheming, China is not trying to conquer the world and US is also not trying to bring peace, the game is not as black and white as you would believe and the "good guys" will be shown as less good in 50 years when the secrets will be reveled and propaganda will switch to something else. Not cooperating in space related topics is as stupid as US demanding not to use mathematics or physics developed by China. Science should not care about the politics of the current dudes in power.

yearoflinux 6y ago
Us is definitely not trying to bring peace, anywhere, ever. But I am suspicious of you when you say chia doesn't want to conquer the world. Nobody can be that naiive so I wonder how else to explain your statement. I notice you claim to be Romanian but also comment a lot on China related posts (other than this)
- simion314 6y ago
  Yes , I am Romanian so I have a different perspective then someone from US. I can see better the trends. I am also a Star Trek fan and it pains me that we can't collaborate in space research and it is always a "race" or national security. Are you trying to imply that I am paid by China because I don't agree with US latest politics ? I am for human rights and equality , including to Saudi Arabia where half of the population are property but since they are US friends there are no daily news about the human rights there. You probably read my TikToc comments, yes I think is not about national security and more about economic and the Trump's ego, I am also against Apple lockdown of the store and I critique Apple collaborating with China and not letting Chinese people sideload applications (if I were a Chinese shill I would kiss Apple ass everything are mentioned)