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Why can't they establish their cooperation rules between them, using existing static material (contract templates...) if they want to, without any third-party (

Why can't they establish their cooperation rules between them, using existing static material (contract templates...) if they want to, without any third-party (for example a government) being mandatory?

bena 6y ago
First, who enforces the contract? Second, it doesn't really matter. Two people working together is pretty much politics. It's government. It leads there. Cooperation requires coordination.
- natmaka 6y ago
  > who enforces the contract? In any healthy small community everyone tries to, in order to keep a good reputation. In case of misunderstanding any third party appreciated by both parties may act as a judge/referee. The need for a government, especially central, only arises when the group isn't anymore a community but a large set of (on average) loosely related and interacting persons. > Two people working together is pretty much politics. It's government. It leads there. Cooperation requires coordination Coordination nor politics doesn't imply any government.
  - bufferoverflow 6y ago
    And thus you invented government. As soon as you have an independent third party deciding who is right, that's your judicial branch. And then you will need the police to enforce the decisions of that judge/referee. And then when you start having insane judges who rule that raping a child is perfectly fine, you will want to stop it, and thus you will invent your standardized laws.
    - natmaka 6y ago
      > As soon as you have an independent third party deciding who is right, that's your judicial branch There IMHO is major differences between "a single government, dedicated to regulate" (which attracts people willing to control others, often letting the most unscrupulous gain power) and "any chosen third party". Where most people are most of the time reasonable they will oppose insanity, if necessary forcefully.
      - bufferoverflow 6y ago
        People who are reasonable most of the time don't need that much laws to govern them. It's the cases of conflict, violence, murder, property ownership, property destruction, and other negative things that inevitably lead to the invention of government, judges, police, prisons. Every country in the world has them, and for multiple reasons.
  - bena 6y ago
    Is it just the names that bother you? Anarchy is the "I can do it over the weekend" of politics. It glosses over so many details.

bena 6y ago

First, who enforces the contract? Second, it doesn't really matter. Two people working together is pretty much politics. It's government. It leads there. Cooperation requires coordination.

natmaka 6y ago
> who enforces the contract? In any healthy small community everyone tries to, in order to keep a good reputation. In case of misunderstanding any third party appreciated by both parties may act as a judge/referee. The need for a government, especially central, only arises when the group isn't anymore a community but a large set of (on average) loosely related and interacting persons. > Two people working together is pretty much politics. It's government. It leads there. Cooperation requires coordination Coordination nor politics doesn't imply any government.
- bufferoverflow 6y ago
  And thus you invented government. As soon as you have an independent third party deciding who is right, that's your judicial branch. And then you will need the police to enforce the decisions of that judge/referee. And then when you start having insane judges who rule that raping a child is perfectly fine, you will want to stop it, and thus you will invent your standardized laws.
  - natmaka 6y ago
    > As soon as you have an independent third party deciding who is right, that's your judicial branch There IMHO is major differences between "a single government, dedicated to regulate" (which attracts people willing to control others, often letting the most unscrupulous gain power) and "any chosen third party". Where most people are most of the time reasonable they will oppose insanity, if necessary forcefully.
    - bufferoverflow 6y ago
      People who are reasonable most of the time don't need that much laws to govern them. It's the cases of conflict, violence, murder, property ownership, property destruction, and other negative things that inevitably lead to the invention of government, judges, police, prisons. Every country in the world has them, and for multiple reasons.
- bena 6y ago
  Is it just the names that bother you? Anarchy is the "I can do it over the weekend" of politics. It glosses over so many details.