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It will notify you that it is approaching a traffic control, and if you do not confirm that you want to proceed through, it will slow to a stop. Presumably the
by wilg 6y ago
It will notify you that it is approaching a traffic control, and if you do not confirm that you want to proceed through, it will slow to a stop. Presumably the idea is this is safer than blowing through an intersection accidentally, which seems reasonable.
You do not have to confirm if there is a car in front of you or it sees other cars proceeding through the intersection.
I think it (stopping at traffic controls) works quite well for a feature that rolled out only a few months ago. The article is generally accurate, but almost all these features are still labeled "beta" and work pretty well, though certainly not perfectly. The idea is they will improve over time and eventually get there, the article kind of assumes they are all supposed to be flawless which I don't think is particularly accurate.
If you interpret "Full Self Driving" as "everything works flawlessly" it's going to be a disappointment. That's fair enough for a naive reading of the phrase, you can argue that's overselling the potential of the feature, but perfect driving at this time is not what is actually claimed.
I think on balance all these features are pretty positive and designed smartly so that the driver can understand what is happening and correct the car's actions, and it does seem like they are improving over time.
- tsherr 6y agoOne doesn't interpret "self-driving". The definition of self driving is something that drives itself. Period. Adding "full" in front of it makes it emphatic. It's the same as saying something is "free" or "completely free". There's no nuance here. He's lying in his marketing. Even a Musk fanboy can't argue that I'm not saying it isn't good, it just isn't what he claims it is.
- wilg 6y agoI just am not that interested in the semantics of the name. I understand your point, that’s fine, I didn’t name it. The idea is that you buy an option for the car that they claim will not now but in the future allow the car to qualify as “Full Self Driving” by some definition. It is not claimed that it will do that now, it’s fine to be skeptical that will ever happen to your satisfaction, but the feature has always been something that will be delivered over time.
- TheOtherHobbes 6y agoI don't consider driving through stop lights a beta feature. Even if only happens one time out of a thousand it's still a threat to life, and a possible class action suit. There isn't room for a threat-to-life feature to improve incrementally, and it's very curious to see anyone suggest that it's somehow tolerable to risk the lives of customers with not-quite-there-yet-but-we'll-get-back-to-you-soon features.
- omgwtfbyobbq 6y agoThat's pretty much why they require the driver to be paying attention with their hands on the wheel at all times. Any user who treats it otherwise is asking for trouble.
- wilg 6y agoYeah, like any car if you do not operate it properly it will fail to handle an intersection. I don’t think I buy that a driver assistance system that does not always intervene is dangerous, when the expectation, design, and legal agreement is you must drive the car responsibly. I’m not sure it’s conceptually different from a safety perspective as something like cruise control.
- omgwtfbyobbq 6y agoAs far as I can tell it's the same. The only exception to that is the cruise control (TACC), which is not in beta, but you still need to do all the steering for that.
- mcguire 6y agoSpeaking as someone who is also driving on public roads, I'm not sure I'm happy about being part of this beta test.
- Schiendelman 6y agoThen make sure you don’t drive near anyone with a learner’s permit!
- rsynnott 6y ago> If you interpret "Full Self Driving" as "everything works flawlessly" it's going to be a disappointment. I mean, how else would one read it?
- wilg 6y agoI don't think it's unreasonable to read it that way, but for Tesla it's the name of a particular package that is meant to allow the car to drive itself _at some point_ via software updates and they don't claim it does so currently.
- rsynnott 6y ago"House for sale. Oh, and by house, we mean 'one wall'. Please don't stand near it; it's a beta wall". I mean, come on.
- wilg 6y agoAs long as they tell you before you buy the house!
- Zarel 6y agoIt's legal and commonplace to pay someone to build a house for you, and even to pay them before the house has been finished building. So the question for Tesla is, do they make it clear that what they're selling is a promise to build a self-driving system for the car later, and not a self-driving car now? I think there's a pretty good argument that some of their advertising is misleading. But I don't think it's as ridiculous as some people here make it seem. I just checked, and they make it pretty clear before purchasing: > The currently enabled features require active driver supervision and do not make the vehicle autonomous.