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Not sure if that's a fair judgement - It seems particularly endemic that it's almost a meme/stereotype in itself in Singapore; that all cab drivers are disconte

Not sure if that's a fair judgement - It seems particularly endemic that it's almost a meme/stereotype in itself in Singapore; that all cab drivers are discontent with the government

CyberDildonics 6y ago
Singapore is not a democracy. They have sham elections where the opposition party is only allowed to have media coverage by the single state run media channel for three weeks before the election. If your neighborhood votes for the opposition party you lose funding for things like public transportation. Lee Kuan Yew lives in a giant, gated, guarded compound in the middle of the most valuable real estate in the city. Also criticizing the government is a crime and saying the wrong thing on facebook can land you in prison.
- ZephyrP 6y ago
  >> Lee Kuan Yew lives in a giant, gated, guarded compound in the middle of the most valuable real estate in the city Didn't he die the better part of a decade ago?
  - pitterpatter 6y ago
    I wonder if they meant his son, Lee Hsien Loong, the current prime minister.
  - hatenberg 6y ago
    Its also super disingenuous LKY lived in a rather small house. The current president tried to continue living in her HDB (public housing) after taking office but gave up on advice of security and complaints from neighbours about said security.
- ValentineC 6y ago
  > If your neighborhood votes for the opposition party you lose funding for things like public transportation. Not for public transportation, but yes, it's not a secret that opposition-held constituencies get substantially less public funding: https://www.ourclassnotes.com/post/cipc-funds-which-town-council-got-how-much https://www.ourclassnotes.com/post/cipc-funds-which-town-cou...
- ponker 6y ago
  Not that different than the Republicans passing a tax bill in 2017 specifically designed to increase taxes on Democratic constituencies.
- finolex1 6y ago
  As always, the truth is somewhere in between what you say and what the government portrays. 38 Oxley Road was owned by the Lees since the 1940s, well before any of them came into power, and well before property prices in Singapore exploded to the level they have now. It is also a stretch to call it "giant" or the "most valuable" piece of real estate, when there are hundreds of bigger houses in the nation. The number of "guards" is also comparable to the state leaders of any other European country, and certainly pales in comparison to the US or some dictatorial nations. There is some bias in state media coverage, but that is fast becoming irrelevant when the main source of news for people nowadays is social media. Criticizing the government is not a crime, and people regularly do it - one only has to go to the Facebook comments section of the state newspaper to take a look. Making a factually false statement and then gaining significant fame could get a lawsuit filed against you - so tread lightly when making big claims that you have no proof for.
  - CyberDildonics 6y ago
    > There is some bias in state media coverage Specifically the opposition candidates get limited time three weeks out from an election. Saying that people are getting more news from the internet is not 'the truth being somewhere in the middle'. Temasek Holdings controls the news paper (which also has a web site) the single local TV channel, the telecoms and the banks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temasek_Holdings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temasek_Holdings https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20161228/22505536362/youtuber-jailed-singapore-criticizing-government-seeks-asylum-us.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20161228/22505536362/youtu... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/opinion/fake-news-law-singapore.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/opinion/fake-news-law-sin...
  - hatsunearu 6y ago
    yeah... I used to walk in front of that house when I went to school every day. There's like two dudes with guns, and there is a tiny booth of a guard post. My workplace has more security than that.
- ScalaFan 6y ago
  The playing field is nowhere close to being level. https://thediplomat.com/2015/02/soft-repression-the-struggle-for-democracy-in-singapore/ https://thediplomat.com/2015/02/soft-repression-the-struggle... For more info: https://sg.news.yahoo.com/dispute-pm-lee-hsien-loong-not-merely-family-affair-lee-wei-ling-011548521.html https://sg.news.yahoo.com/dispute-pm-lee-hsien-loong-not-mer... No privacy either: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-singapore-crime-li/singapore-pms-nephew-says-will-pay-s15000-fine-in-contempt-of-court-case-idUKKCN2570BK https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-singapore-crime-li/singapo...
- ponyfleisch 6y ago
  > Also criticizing the government is a crime and saying the wrong thing on facebook can land you in prison. Would you mind linking the specific law(s) you talk about here?

Not sure if that's a fair judgement - It seems particularly endemic that it's almost a meme/stereotype in itself in Singapore; that all cab drivers are discontent with the government

CyberDildonics 6y ago

Singapore is not a democracy. They have sham elections where the opposition party is only allowed to have media coverage by the single state run media channel for three weeks before the election. If your neighborhood votes for the opposition party you lose funding for things like public transportation. Lee Kuan Yew lives in a giant, gated, guarded compound in the middle of the most valuable real estate in the city. Also criticizing the government is a crime and saying the wrong thing on facebook can land you in prison.

ZephyrP 6y ago
>> Lee Kuan Yew lives in a giant, gated, guarded compound in the middle of the most valuable real estate in the city Didn't he die the better part of a decade ago?
- pitterpatter 6y ago
  I wonder if they meant his son, Lee Hsien Loong, the current prime minister.
- hatenberg 6y ago
  Its also super disingenuous LKY lived in a rather small house. The current president tried to continue living in her HDB (public housing) after taking office but gave up on advice of security and complaints from neighbours about said security.
ValentineC 6y ago
> If your neighborhood votes for the opposition party you lose funding for things like public transportation. Not for public transportation, but yes, it's not a secret that opposition-held constituencies get substantially less public funding: https://www.ourclassnotes.com/post/cipc-funds-which-town-council-got-how-much https://www.ourclassnotes.com/post/cipc-funds-which-town-cou...
ponker 6y ago
Not that different than the Republicans passing a tax bill in 2017 specifically designed to increase taxes on Democratic constituencies.
finolex1 6y ago
As always, the truth is somewhere in between what you say and what the government portrays. 38 Oxley Road was owned by the Lees since the 1940s, well before any of them came into power, and well before property prices in Singapore exploded to the level they have now. It is also a stretch to call it "giant" or the "most valuable" piece of real estate, when there are hundreds of bigger houses in the nation. The number of "guards" is also comparable to the state leaders of any other European country, and certainly pales in comparison to the US or some dictatorial nations. There is some bias in state media coverage, but that is fast becoming irrelevant when the main source of news for people nowadays is social media. Criticizing the government is not a crime, and people regularly do it - one only has to go to the Facebook comments section of the state newspaper to take a look. Making a factually false statement and then gaining significant fame could get a lawsuit filed against you - so tread lightly when making big claims that you have no proof for.
- CyberDildonics 6y ago
  > There is some bias in state media coverage Specifically the opposition candidates get limited time three weeks out from an election. Saying that people are getting more news from the internet is not 'the truth being somewhere in the middle'. Temasek Holdings controls the news paper (which also has a web site) the single local TV channel, the telecoms and the banks. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temasek_Holdings https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temasek_Holdings https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20161228/22505536362/youtuber-jailed-singapore-criticizing-government-seeks-asylum-us.shtml https://www.techdirt.com/articles/20161228/22505536362/youtu... https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/opinion/fake-news-law-singapore.html https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/21/opinion/fake-news-law-sin...
- hatsunearu 6y ago
  yeah... I used to walk in front of that house when I went to school every day. There's like two dudes with guns, and there is a tiny booth of a guard post. My workplace has more security than that.
ScalaFan 6y ago
The playing field is nowhere close to being level. https://thediplomat.com/2015/02/soft-repression-the-struggle-for-democracy-in-singapore/ https://thediplomat.com/2015/02/soft-repression-the-struggle... For more info: https://sg.news.yahoo.com/dispute-pm-lee-hsien-loong-not-merely-family-affair-lee-wei-ling-011548521.html https://sg.news.yahoo.com/dispute-pm-lee-hsien-loong-not-mer... No privacy either: https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-singapore-crime-li/singapore-pms-nephew-says-will-pay-s15000-fine-in-contempt-of-court-case-idUKKCN2570BK https://uk.reuters.com/article/uk-singapore-crime-li/singapo...
ponyfleisch 6y ago
> Also criticizing the government is a crime and saying the wrong thing on facebook can land you in prison. Would you mind linking the specific law(s) you talk about here?