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> Any time I've heard anarchists try to explain how they would deal with the subset of people who are just real shitty in various ways, the responses have been

> Any time I've heard anarchists try to explain how they would deal with the subset of people who are just real shitty in various ways, the responses have been either, a) in our utopia, you wouldn't have those problems, because hierarchy causes all of them, or b) increasingly convoluted and implausible-sounding ways to deal with crazy assholes without using force. I see similar bad/evasive arguments from prison abolitionists, who have recently been given a higher profile as part of the push to defund the police. What are you going to do with criminals, ask them to please stop victimizing others? No prisons? Not even for murderers? Really? Looking back through human history, at all forms of tribal and political organization at all levels of complexity, you will always find violence and war. Those are not consequences of modern society or government.

mhuffman 6y ago
> Those are not consequences of modern society or government. In fact, the fear of those are the reason for government!
NotSammyHagar 6y ago
That feels like a non sequitur argument, we should strive to reduce prison populations without worrying about absolutist. We could drastically reduce the prison population and list of crimes without hurting anything, first thing is stop prosecuting victimless crimes like pot smoking. Release the people convicted of non-violent drug crimes. Release the people who were convicted of stealing 25$ from the quickimart. Give people post prison treatment, get them a starter job. Don't just look to penalize them again. Just like saying we can't reduce nuclear weapon counts in the us because russia and china are scary and we need them to stop them, we could still drastically reduce the count of them by about 100 without changing that.