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This does need more attention, I have teenagers and can confirm this is what happens. The Blue vs Green bubble is a huge stigma. Another thing I've noticed is

This does need more attention, I have teenagers and can confirm this is what happens. The Blue vs Green bubble is a huge stigma. Another thing I've noticed is that delivery of SMS to iPhones is very unreliable. I'm not sure why that is but I'll send SMS messages to our family group chat from my Android Device and my partner's phone will ding almost immediately but it can be up to 24 hours before my teen gets the message on an iPhone X.

ThePowerOfFuet 6y ago
Talk to your carrier about that delay. I bet they don't have any problems receiving 2FA messages etc.
Bud 6y ago
If you think it needs "more attention", you need to state what "attention" you think is needed. Do you think Apple should just ditch the radically superior iMessage protocol and force everyone to go back to 30-year-old SMS, which was developed in the mid-1980s? That's not going to happen.
- cptskippy 6y ago
  > If you think it needs "more attention", you need to state what "attention" you think is needed. No, no I don't. > Do you think Apple should just ditch the radically superior iMessage protocol and force everyone to go back to 30-year-old SMS, which was developed in the mid-1980s? That's not going to happen. Did my post in any way suggest that? Apple's iMessage platform lock-in and degraded experience when communicating with non-iMessage users has real world social impact not just on children. Awareness ofnthis fact needs to be raised. It's obvious why Apple does it, iMessage brings people to the platform and locks them in for fear of social exclusion. This has monetary benefits for Apple in other areas such as hardware sales, iap, and the App store. If Apple offered RCS Messaging support in iMessage, and the green bubbles only indicated unencrypted communication, many of the social maladies of iMessage would go away and so would the motivation to adopt Apple's platform because people largely don't give a shot about e2e encryption.

ThePowerOfFuet 6y ago

Talk to your carrier about that delay. I bet they don't have any problems receiving 2FA messages etc.

Bud 6y ago

If you think it needs "more attention", you need to state what "attention" you think is needed. Do you think Apple should just ditch the radically superior iMessage protocol and force everyone to go back to 30-year-old SMS, which was developed in the mid-1980s? That's not going to happen.

cptskippy 6y ago
> If you think it needs "more attention", you need to state what "attention" you think is needed. No, no I don't. > Do you think Apple should just ditch the radically superior iMessage protocol and force everyone to go back to 30-year-old SMS, which was developed in the mid-1980s? That's not going to happen. Did my post in any way suggest that? Apple's iMessage platform lock-in and degraded experience when communicating with non-iMessage users has real world social impact not just on children. Awareness ofnthis fact needs to be raised. It's obvious why Apple does it, iMessage brings people to the platform and locks them in for fear of social exclusion. This has monetary benefits for Apple in other areas such as hardware sales, iap, and the App store. If Apple offered RCS Messaging support in iMessage, and the green bubbles only indicated unencrypted communication, many of the social maladies of iMessage would go away and so would the motivation to adopt Apple's platform because people largely don't give a shot about e2e encryption.