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So depending on the numbers, are we possibly seeing non-overweight people overrepresented in adverse outcomes relative to the population?

by 0xdde 6y ago

irq11 6y ago
No. The opposite. By the latest CDC numbers over 90% of people in hospitals with Covid have at least 2.6 serious illnesses, and mortality is disproportionately seen in the elderly and obese. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm
- WalterGR 6y ago
  That’s not what that data says. The column you’re extrapolating that from is “Conditions Contributing to Deaths where COVID-19 was listed on the death certificate” not “Pre-existing conditions”.
  - irq11 6y ago
    It is what the data says. People didn’t suddenly get cancer and heart disease because of Covid. You may believe that these illnesses were exacerbated by the virus, but that doesn’t change the fact that the vast majority of the seriously ill were not healthy before catching the virus.
    - WalterGR 6y ago
      We can all read the data. * Influenza and pneumonia * Adult respiratory distress syndrome * Respiratory failure * Respiratory arrest * Cardiac arrest Et cetera et cetera et cetera. Are all the conditions listed in that table acute symptoms that contributed to COVID death? No. Is it a lie to say that every person in the US whose life ended due to COVID had on average 2.6 pre-existing conditions? Yes. Stop lying. but that doesn’t change the fact that the vast majority of the seriously ill were not healthy before catching the virus. 2.6 pre-existing conditions as you claimed above or, now, “vast majority of the seriously ill”? Give statistics that you can back up with data, along with definitions for “vast majority” and “seriously ill”, or you’re spreading dezinformatsia.
      - irq11 6y ago
        ” Are all the conditions listed in that table acute symptoms that contributed to COVID death? No.” Indeed. There are thousands of deaths listed which were from accidents and other issues which probably should not be counted as Covid deaths. There’s obviously a fair amount of “dying with Covid” going on. Thanks for pointing that out. ”Is it a lie to say that every person in the US whose life ended due to COVID had on average 2.6 pre-existing conditions? Yes.” Every person? Well yes, that would be a lie...which is why I didn’t say that. The data shows that over 94% of Covid deaths had, on average, 2.6 co-morbidities. Less than 6% had no co-morbidities. But the data is quite clear on that fact. I realize it is inconvenient for the purposes of inciting panic, and you can try to twist it around any way you like to diminish it, but it’s still a fact.

So depending on the numbers, are we possibly seeing non-overweight people overrepresented in adverse outcomes relative to the population?

by 0xdde 6y ago

So depending on the numbers, are we possibly seeing non-overweight people overrepresented in adverse outcomes relative to the population?

irq11 6y ago

No. The opposite. By the latest CDC numbers over 90% of people in hospitals with Covid have at least 2.6 serious illnesses, and mortality is disproportionately seen in the elderly and obese. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/nvss/vsrr/covid_weekly/index.htm

WalterGR 6y ago
That’s not what that data says. The column you’re extrapolating that from is “Conditions Contributing to Deaths where COVID-19 was listed on the death certificate” not “Pre-existing conditions”.
- irq11 6y ago
  It is what the data says. People didn’t suddenly get cancer and heart disease because of Covid. You may believe that these illnesses were exacerbated by the virus, but that doesn’t change the fact that the vast majority of the seriously ill were not healthy before catching the virus.
  - WalterGR 6y ago
    We can all read the data. * Influenza and pneumonia * Adult respiratory distress syndrome * Respiratory failure * Respiratory arrest * Cardiac arrest Et cetera et cetera et cetera. Are all the conditions listed in that table acute symptoms that contributed to COVID death? No. Is it a lie to say that every person in the US whose life ended due to COVID had on average 2.6 pre-existing conditions? Yes. Stop lying. but that doesn’t change the fact that the vast majority of the seriously ill were not healthy before catching the virus. 2.6 pre-existing conditions as you claimed above or, now, “vast majority of the seriously ill”? Give statistics that you can back up with data, along with definitions for “vast majority” and “seriously ill”, or you’re spreading dezinformatsia.
    - irq11 6y ago
      ” Are all the conditions listed in that table acute symptoms that contributed to COVID death? No.” Indeed. There are thousands of deaths listed which were from accidents and other issues which probably should not be counted as Covid deaths. There’s obviously a fair amount of “dying with Covid” going on. Thanks for pointing that out. ”Is it a lie to say that every person in the US whose life ended due to COVID had on average 2.6 pre-existing conditions? Yes.” Every person? Well yes, that would be a lie...which is why I didn’t say that. The data shows that over 94% of Covid deaths had, on average, 2.6 co-morbidities. Less than 6% had no co-morbidities. But the data is quite clear on that fact. I realize it is inconvenient for the purposes of inciting panic, and you can try to twist it around any way you like to diminish it, but it’s still a fact.