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It's not. For instance: the Pinebook Pro just got gles3 support via upstream mesa, but all the flatpaks with mesa haven't or won't update with any alacrity. U

It's not. For instance: the Pinebook Pro just got gles3 support via upstream mesa, but all the flatpaks with mesa haven't or won't update with any alacrity. Users are left having to abandon sandboxing in order to get necessary updates.

et1337 6y ago
Even if you did swap a symlink to upgrade to GLES3, all the apps will still call the GLES2 functions. No matter what, the devs would have to go back and rewrite their app to actually use the new features.
- dleslie 6y ago
  Many apps detect GL level and adapt renderers accordingly. Still, it's not just graphics drivers: there's the oft-cited security patches, but also features for user-facing interfaces; Ie, an update to a URL parsing library might add additional codepage support transparently to an app that uses it.
Iolaum 6y ago
Pinebook pro is using an arm64 cpu instead of an x86. That creates a big list of problems that you don't have on x86 because that's what all linux desktop developers have (mostly) been targeting. As one example, I was surprised to find that the tor browser doesn't have an arm64 build :o
- dleslie 6y ago
  I've installed a few dozen AUR packages that only needed aarch64 added to the arch list. I think only one, syncterm, required any other modifications to build and even that was just setting a preprocessor define (__arm__). Thus far, it's my favourite laptop purchase ever. Beats the feeling I got with the IBM X series or the Ti Book. It's light, zippy enough, great Linux hardware support, and totally silent.
vetinari 6y ago
The freedesktop runtime updates Mesa faster than most distributions. The current version is 20.1.5.
- dleslie 6y ago
  And Arch let me build and install git HEAD, so I'm using 20.3.
  - vetinari 6y ago
    Forcing Arch model on eveyone is a perfect way for Linux to forever stay minority platform. There's a reason why most people do not run rolling distros. Might be nice for hardcore fans, but good luck supporting anything there.
    - dleslie 6y ago
      There is a very real shift happening from Ubuntu to Manjaro. If the sandboxed app package model is what you desire then there's already a great and popular Linux distro for you: Android.
      - vetinari 6y ago
        Don't be surprised when all the mainstream distros switch to sandboxed app model as the preferred one. Distro-based packaging of the entire world is hiting the not enough manpower problem today and eventually will be eventually relegated to super fans distro only, with similar status as Amiga has today.
      - sroussey 6y ago
        What is Manjaro?
        sroussey 6y ago
        https://manjaro.org/ https://manjaro.org/

et1337 6y ago

Even if you did swap a symlink to upgrade to GLES3, all the apps will still call the GLES2 functions. No matter what, the devs would have to go back and rewrite their app to actually use the new features.

dleslie 6y ago
Many apps detect GL level and adapt renderers accordingly. Still, it's not just graphics drivers: there's the oft-cited security patches, but also features for user-facing interfaces; Ie, an update to a URL parsing library might add additional codepage support transparently to an app that uses it.

Iolaum 6y ago

Pinebook pro is using an arm64 cpu instead of an x86. That creates a big list of problems that you don't have on x86 because that's what all linux desktop developers have (mostly) been targeting. As one example, I was surprised to find that the tor browser doesn't have an arm64 build :o

dleslie 6y ago
I've installed a few dozen AUR packages that only needed aarch64 added to the arch list. I think only one, syncterm, required any other modifications to build and even that was just setting a preprocessor define (__arm__). Thus far, it's my favourite laptop purchase ever. Beats the feeling I got with the IBM X series or the Ti Book. It's light, zippy enough, great Linux hardware support, and totally silent.

vetinari 6y ago

The freedesktop runtime updates Mesa faster than most distributions. The current version is 20.1.5.

dleslie 6y ago
And Arch let me build and install git HEAD, so I'm using 20.3.
- vetinari 6y ago
  Forcing Arch model on eveyone is a perfect way for Linux to forever stay minority platform. There's a reason why most people do not run rolling distros. Might be nice for hardcore fans, but good luck supporting anything there.
  - dleslie 6y ago
    There is a very real shift happening from Ubuntu to Manjaro. If the sandboxed app package model is what you desire then there's already a great and popular Linux distro for you: Android.
    - vetinari 6y ago
      Don't be surprised when all the mainstream distros switch to sandboxed app model as the preferred one. Distro-based packaging of the entire world is hiting the not enough manpower problem today and eventually will be eventually relegated to super fans distro only, with similar status as Amiga has today.
    - sroussey 6y ago
      What is Manjaro?
      - sroussey 6y ago
        https://manjaro.org/ https://manjaro.org/