> Personally, I use vim for everything and dvorak ruins the home row of hjkl, so I haven’t learned dvorak. If I were to, I’d first learn emacs, use emacs for ev

> Personally, I use vim for everything and dvorak ruins the home row of hjkl, so I haven’t learned dvorak. If I were to, I’d first learn emacs, use emacs for everything, and then learn Dvorak. I use Vim and Dvorak. At the beginning when I switched to Dvorak it felt awkward but, there’s actually a deeper reason it don’t matter that much. Pressing hjkl for anything more than a few presses at a time is generally IME not desirable. At the time when I began using Dvorak a decade ago I was still fairly new to Vim and so I used hjkl a lot. Over time I learned to use more efficient motion commands, as well as using both the hjkl and the other motions in combination with numbers. Like say 5k 7w instead of kkkkkllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll. And in fact the slightly awkward placement of hjkl on Dvorak may even have contributed to me bothering to learn more motion commands and combining them with numbers. I’ve even gotten quite good at eyeballing number of characters, words, lines, etc without explicitly counting them.